Committee Meeting 2016-10-01

The meeting will take place at 11:00:00 UTC in the IRC channel #board-meeting on the CAcert IRC network.

Feel free to add a business item within the acceptance period of 48 hours or your question to the board below. Non-committee Members: Committee may choose to convert any business proposed as a question in the questions section.


  1. Minutes author prepares the minutes from the last meeting

  2. Minutes author prepares the actions. All action owners to update.

    • actions



update form last meeting...

  1. Minutes author puts motion m2016xxxx.y to accept the minutes


  1. Preliminaries
    1. Chair opens the Committee Meeting
    2. Accept the minutes from the last meetings:
    3. Who is making minutes?
    4. Chair asks whether cacert-board-private maillist includes any items that need to be disclosed to Members.

    5. Chair points actions from last meeting to the meeting, and asks for discussion.

  2. Businesses

    Acceptance of Businesses 48 Hours before beginning of Committee Meeting latest!

    1. Paypal payments by dirk

    2. secure-u invoice by dirk

    3. Arbitration Case a20131128.1 by Gero

      1. How are double assurances in past are dealt with?
    4. Arbitration Case a20140316.1 by Eva

    5. RA-Audit and ATE by board

    6. ABCs by Eva/dirk

    7. AGM preparation by dirk

    8. Old board by dirk

      1. Report to be created
    9. Status of Move of CAcert Inc. Intended to be continued over to each meeting - please keep as last item!

    10. Data protection officer (added as late business)
    11. Hand-over request (added as late business)
    12. Business added by Your Name Comment: Replace "Business One" by Title of Business and add your Name

      • Additional Inputs Comment: Replace "Additional Inputs"by Description of Business, Description of Reason-Why/Purpose, Additional Comments, Additional Documents, Additional Links, if useful for other Committee Members to prepare for Committee Meeting.

    13. et cetera
  3. Question Time

    Questions from Community Members can be added until beginning of Committee Meeting! As well questions can be asked at "Question Time", without added Question here

    1. Question One added by Your Name Comment: Replace "Question One" by Your Question and add your Name

      • et cetera
  4. Closing
    1. Agree on date of the next Committee Meeting
    2. Chair closes the Committee Meeting


1.1 Ian opened the meeting as chair on 11:02 UTC.

Present: Piers, Ian, Dirk, Gero

1.3 Gero takes minutes for the current meeting.

1.4 Items to be disclosed from board-private

2.1 Paypal payments

The web pages ask for a payment about 15$ for a password reset. In fact this is recommended to compensate for the necessary work, but not required, so the pages should state this instead. A change is prepared as previously decided.

2.2 secure-u invoice

The past invoice is paid. Currency conversions have been clarified. The next invoice is in preparation with the goal to have that regularly.

2.3 Arbitration Case a20131128.1

Introduction: There are ~200 pairs of persons with double assurances in the past. There are indications that they are from a time before the AP was in place, which forbids this. In contrary, it could have been a practise to enter super assurances. In addition, the system could have been used for testing, as CAcert didn't have a dedicated testing system at that time.

Currently board owns the role of AO.

No consensus how to deal with that could be reached. Statements tend to accept double assurances which happened before AP.

Open questions are:

2.4 Arbitration Case a20140316.1

The software has bugs which don't allow support to see all necessary data to handle cases where investigations about data marked as deleted are necessary, e. g. for deletion of accounts.


2.5 RA-Audit and ATE

It had to be decided how ATEs can be run successfully in times with few active RA auditors, and what the minimal requirements for RA audit (and the goals of an ATE) are.


2.6 ABCs

The case and audit sessions touch questions about responsibilities in ABC between team leads and arbitration.


2.7 AGM preparation

There was a discussion initiated by the idea of required resolutions for a possible move of CAcert, and how the outcome could be based on the "cabinet" proposals from Eva.

2.8 Old board

No news.

2.9 Status of Move of CAcert Inc.

Picked up in agenda item 2.8.

2.10 Data protection officer (added as late business)

Common understanding is that some countries/areas like the EU require to have a DPO and that it must be a human person (so it can't be board).

Discussion stopped because meeting time approaches 4h.

2.11 Hand-over request (added as late business)

There wasn't a statement about deletion of KPL from last board in the context of handover.

4 Closing

The meeting is closed on 15:05 UTC.






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