Committee Meeting 2011-09-04

The meeting will take place at 21:00 UTC in the IRC channel #board-meeting on the CAcert IRC network.

Committee Members: feel free to add a business within the acceptance period or your question to the board below. Others: add a question to the questions section.


  1. Minutes author prepares the minutes from the last meeting (2011-08-07)

  2. Minutes author prepares the action items. All action owners to update.

  3. Minutes author puts motion m20110814.1 to accept the minutes


  1. Preliminaries 1. Chair opens the Committee Meeting
    1. Accept the minutes from the last meeting.

    2. Who is making minutes?
    3. Chair asks whether cacert-board-private maillist includes any items that need to be disclosed to Members.

    4. Chair introduces the URL of action items to the meeting, and asks for discussion.

  2. Businesses Important Note: Acceptance of Businesses 48 Hours before beginning of Committee Meeting latest!

    1. Finance Report + Board Report 2010-2011 (?)
      • board report 2010-2011

        • board motions
        • blog
        • Community/Update
        • board minutes
        • Board's archived open email traffic
        • Board's archived private email traffic
        • Annual Report forward looking statement
    2. Nomination for Access Engineer t/l ?
      • request send to Access Engineer team for nominations?
      • received nominations?
    3. Nomination for PR officer ?
      1. Alexander Bahlo, see m20110820.1

    4. Nomination for new Wiki admins
      1. Guillaume

      2. Thorsten Bremer (thoddi)
      3. => Should not be for board, see Discussion on board ML

    5. Association move

    6. Advertising - Logo challenge (Cont. from last 3-4 meetings)
    7. What is boards plan for Audit? (still open question, should be discussed with all board members in place)
    8. Arbitration (Cont. from last 2 meetings)
      • Arbitration seem to be stalled: 3 arbitrations in the queue, last month only one of the 12 aribitrators on the list made any progress.
      • increasing motivation - what can increase motivation ?
        • infos, news, success reports, events, things being done, activity, action
        • Whats with a PR officer? currently this role is held by board (see top 3)
      • to bring arbitration back to working, we need _active_ arbitrators .... this means, not working in other areas _and_ enough experience with CAcert - those people we cannot find at regular events, so the only chance, is at ATEs. What are the plans for next ATEs? eg. ATEs EU tour?
        • ATEs will also help in assurance area to become more co-audits done, for the way to audit
        • funding project for ATEs thru Europe needed
        • who can create a plan for these ATE's? including a budget? (question still open, then board can discuss and decide)
        • ATE proposal needs some rethinking
      • we have 12 arbitrators on the list. How we can motivate the existing ones?
      • More thoughts ?
    9. "Password Recovery with paypal to be depricate" by Michael Taenzer
      • In the Support Meeting today Support Team decided to get rid of the old paypal password reset in favour of the Password Recovery with Assurance which has been introduced some months ago. Users may be notified of this change by an mailing that has to be done anyway some time soon because of changed points calculation.

      • The mass of password requests are already handled via the described procedure, the very few cases where the old password reset is the only alternative don't justify the risks of relying on a third party to do the authentication of the user.

Note: careful here, income 2009-2010 for password reset service: 1140 USD. 2010-2011: 660 USD. Deprecating completely will cost us some money.

  1. Business added by Your Name Comment: Replace "Business Three" by Title of Business and add your Name

    • Additional Inputs Comment: Replace "Additional Inputs"by Description of Business, Description of Reason-Why/Purpose, Additional Comments, Additional Documents, Additional Links, if useful for other Committee Members to prepare for Committee Meeting.

  2. et cetera
  1. Question Time Important Note: Questions from Community Members can be added until beginning of Committee Meeting! As well questions can be asked at "Question Time", without added Question here

    1. Question One added by Your Name Comment: Replace "Question One" by Your Question and add your Name

      • et cetera
  2. Closing
    1. Confirm the next Committee Meeting: Usually every 1st and 3rd Sunday of the month 21:00 UTC.

    2. Chair closes the Committee Meeting


1 Preliminaries

Present: Dirk, Ian, Lambert, Mario, Piers.

1.1 Open

Meeting chaired by Mario

1.2 Last Meeting Minutes

Motion to accept the minutes from the last meeting carried.

1.3 Minutes taker

Piers to take minutes.

1.4 Board Private issues

There is a motion for a request to be sent to PG re the status of The request was sent recently by Mario. The DNS record will be deleted if no response.

Unused bank Account

There is a bank account with Credit Union Aust which we do not know much about, and we are chasing information as to how we can gain access - however, the account has not been used for years.

1.5 Action Items

(Important items already on agenda.)

2 Business

2.1 Finance Report + Board Report 2010-2011

Alexander has prepared a finance report, but needs an amendment - will be ready for next meeting.

As Lambert has been away, discussion of board report also delayed to next meeting.

2.2 Nomination for Access Engineer t/l

Dirk will send a request.

2.3 Nomination for PR officer

Alexander Bahlo has been appointed by motion. Dirk will send a welcome message.

2.4 Nomination for new Wiki admins

To be discussed on board-private mailling list.

2.5 Association Move

(See AssociationMove.)

We have received via Ian an offer of help from Jeffery Frederick.

2.6 Advertising - Logo challenge

Software team still working on this. Google-ads are not working yet. Mario will chase up progress.

2.7 What is boards plan for Audit?

(This is an open question from Oophaga.)

Members should re-read the audit team report.

To be discussed at the next meeting.

2.8. Arbitration

Ideas needed for pushing ATEs through Europe.

2.9 "Password Recovery with paypal to be deprecated" by Michael Taenzer

Currently two mechanisms available:

  1. User pays $15 via Paypal and someone checks the request.
  2. User uses assurance as described here.

The first method contributes to CAcert income, which brings up two points:

  1. an assurance by an assurer is better than Paypal only mechanism
  2. we need income

(Paypal is a lower cost process than, say, a using credit card.)

Some discussion of charging for assurance mechanism, maybe making it cheaper than old mechanism. Also noted: most of the password reset requests come from members with 0 assurance points.

Motion: that we keep both ways of password reset available to our members carried.

Suggestion made that some statistics be collected over the next few months to enable a better decision later.

3 Questions

When is next AGM

Planning for regular time in November this year.

4 Closing

4.1 Next meeting

Next meeting: Sunday, September 18th 2011, 21:00 UTC


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