Log of Board-meeting 2018-03-15-20:00 UTC

Timestamp all UTC +01:00

15.03.2018 [20:39:15] <GuKKDevel> hi
15.03.2018 [20:44:57] <GuKKDevel> Hi etienne, do you know all mailaddresses of board members ?
15.03.2018 [21:00:08] <Etienne> Hello @GuKKDevel, yes, I have them, they are all in the ERP.
15.03.2018 [21:00:33] <GuKKDevel> OK so I will look for them
15.03.2018 [21:00:35] <Peter> Good morning
15.03.2018 [21:00:36] <GuKKDevel> there
15.03.2018 [21:00:59] <bdmc> Good Evening, All.   And Good Morning to those of us who are South of the Equator!
15.03.2018 [21:01:03] <GuKKDevel> good mornig good day good evening to all
15.03.2018 [21:01:22] <bdmc> I see four of us.  Are there more?
15.03.2018 [21:01:52] <Etienne> Hell everybody
15.03.2018 [21:01:57] <Etienne> Hello
15.03.2018 [21:02:02] <bdmc> B-)
15.03.2018 [21:02:12] <GuKKDevel> I see five
15.03.2018 [21:02:18] <PeterYuill> Hello everyone
15.03.2018 [21:02:35] <bdmc> Good, so shall we start?
15.03.2018 [21:02:51] <bdmc> Who will volunteer to deal with the minutes?
15.03.2018 [21:03:04] <GuKKDevel> me
15.03.2018 [21:03:18] <bdmc> Thank you K-H.
15.03.2018 [21:03:51] <bdmc> Does anybody have any hard deadlines for today?  For once, I don't but I would like to keep this to less than two hours.
15.03.2018 [21:04:15] <GuKKDevel> so end at 22 utc?
15.03.2018 [21:04:24] <bdmc> Agreed, or earlier.
15.03.2018 [21:04:30] <PeterYuill> I need to go at 21:30
15.03.2018 [21:04:41] <bdmc> OK, we can aim for that.
15.03.2018 [21:05:07] <GuKKDevel> I'll watch
15.03.2018 [21:05:39] <bdmc> Now that that is settled, I will try to keep track of time, too, does anybody want to make a motion to approve last meeting's minutes?
15.03.2018 [21:06:27] <GuKKDevel> has everybody read them?
15.03.2018 [21:06:38] <Peter> No
15.03.2018 [21:06:48] <Peter> Forgot
15.03.2018 [21:06:52] <bdmc> I have.  I would rather not make the motion myself, since I was not in attendance.
15.03.2018 [21:07:12] <GuKKDevel> neither me, wrote them
15.03.2018 [21:08:22] <bdmc> I forgot something.  Peter, do you have a link to those minutes?   Etienne, would you please publish the URL for the Agenda, here?
15.03.2018 [21:08:46] <Etienne> Agenda for today: https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2018-03-15?action=recall&rev=6
15.03.2018 [21:08:46] <PeterYuill> Minutes look good to me. I propose we accept the minutes.
15.03.2018 [21:09:06] <Etienne> Minutes last meeting: https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2018-03-01
15.03.2018 [21:09:22] <Etienne> Second and aye
15.03.2018 [21:09:33] <bdmc> Abstain
15.03.2018 [21:09:37] <GuKKDevel> abstain
15.03.2018 [21:09:47] <Peter> Aye
15.03.2018 [21:10:30] <bdmc> PeterYuill, I had to find out, but we have a tradition in this board that the person making a motion must also vote for that motion.
15.03.2018 [21:10:44] <PeterYuill> aye
15.03.2018 [21:10:56] <bdmc> It seemed redundant to me, but....
15.03.2018 [21:11:04] <PeterYuill> No problem
15.03.2018 [21:11:13] <bdmc> Looks like the motion has passed.
15.03.2018 [21:11:33] <bdmc> Next, are there any messages in Board or Board Private that need to be brought forward?
15.03.2018 [21:11:50] <GuKKDevel> not from me
15.03.2018 [21:12:35] <bdmc> In that case, I will move forward.  Incidentally, if I am going too quickly, just speak up.
15.03.2018 [21:13:30] <bdmc> OK, since I joined this meeting in time for 15:00 ( an hour early ), I had plenty of time to look at the Action Items.  Is there anything there that anyone would like to discuss?
15.03.2018 [21:13:56] <PeterYuill> Have we managed to contact Amos?
15.03.2018 [21:14:40] <Etienne> Yes, we had. He had good news: Yes, I got the final OK just before a busy weekend.
15.03.2018 [21:14:49] <Peter> I thought about the occasions when someone needs an identity check more than what Mozilla provide with their free certs.
15.03.2018 [21:15:07] <Peter> I did not come up with an occasion I need one.
15.03.2018 [21:15:29] <Peter> Not much use for marketing. :-(
15.03.2018 [21:16:46] <GuKKDevel> what are you talking about peter?
15.03.2018 [21:17:22] <Etienne> I will rPeter was thinking about our raison d'être.
15.03.2018 [21:17:25] <Peter> The marketing text
15.03.2018 [21:17:53] <GuKKDevel>  raison d'être.?
15.03.2018 [21:18:06] <Peter> An action point from the last meeting
15.03.2018 [21:18:16] <bdmc> I wasn't sure when to bring this up, but I wrote a message to a "local" mailing list.  Members of that list have been active members of CAcert in the past, both as Assurers and as Assured.
15.03.2018 [21:18:35] <bdmc> So far, I have had one response to that message, saying:
15.03.2018 [21:19:01] <bdmc> SSL has two primary, orthogonal functions:
15.03.2018 [21:19:01] <bdmc> 1) Keep outsiders from listening in on our conversation
15.03.2018 [21:19:01] <bdmc> 2) Assure one or both of us that the other is who they claim to be
15.03.2018 [21:19:01] <bdmc> Certificates are most important in part (2), though common SSL setups require a certificate to exist even to do part (1).  Let's Encrypt facilitates part (1), but by offering "an X.509 Certificate for 'free' to anyone," does little or nothing to
15.03.2018 [21:19:05] <bdmc> +uphold part (2).  CACert's value is in being a noncommercial broker of part (2).
15.03.2018 [21:19:08] <bdmc> That's my understanding, at least.
15.03.2018 [21:20:25] <Peter> Checking an id is probably needed by users of tinder, ebay, etc.
15.03.2018 [21:20:30] <GuKKDevel> this would to be handled at 2.1.4
15.03.2018 [21:20:38] <bdmc> I think that that talks to raison d'etre.
15.03.2018 [21:21:41] <Etienne> @GuKKDevel: it is French, but also used in English - no other translation in my dictionary. In German you will say Daseinszweck.
15.03.2018 [21:21:59] <GuKKDevel> thank you Etienne
15.03.2018 [21:22:19] <bdmc> Any other Action Items that we want to discuss, or am I being too fast?
15.03.2018 [21:24:23] <bdmc> OK, on to item 2.1.1.  I think that I saw a comment about this, earlier.  Correct?
15.03.2018 [21:25:36] <Etienne> Yes, Amos has no issues with his boss, beeing our public officer. We had the confirmation on March 4th.
15.03.2018 [21:26:03] <Etienne> I am just waiting for the confirmation for A9 beeing sent to Fair Trading.
15.03.2018 [21:26:19] <bdmc> Was that paper mail, or electronic?
15.03.2018 [21:27:05] <Etienne> PDF or scanned form sent by mail or paper brougth to a NSW government office - its on you, both possible.
15.03.2018 [21:27:47] <bdmc> Which did you do?
15.03.2018 [21:28:13] <Etienne> I did not walk in their office ;-)
15.03.2018 [21:28:32] <bdmc> Understood.  No airplane trips?  B-)
15.03.2018 [21:28:50] <Etienne> As the treasurer did not accept to pay the ticket...
15.03.2018 [21:29:18] <bdmc> Yes, he's sticky about that.   So I guess that you e-mailed a PDF?
15.03.2018 [21:29:46] <Etienne> Even two: one with the key numbers and one with my credit card details.
15.03.2018 [21:30:21] <bdmc> Ah.  There is a fee, I gather.   OK, well that should be faster than paper mail.
15.03.2018 [21:30:56] <bdmc> Next, item 2.1.2.  Have the Treasurers corresponded?
15.03.2018 [21:31:16] <Etienne> Yes and the fee depends on the date you bring/send it in: up to 1/2/3 month it is 45/75/.... $
15.03.2018 [21:31:46] <GuKKDevel> treasurer handover was done
15.03.2018 [21:32:01] <bdmc> Etienne: Better sooner, then.
15.03.2018 [21:32:22] <bdmc> Item 2.2.  Bug 1260, upgrading PHP.   Dirk, are you here?
15.03.2018 [21:32:25] <Etienne> So, the Google Security warnings I had on the teasurer/secretary mail was you?
15.03.2018 [21:32:28] <GuKKDevel> I'm waiting for a notice of a member of treasurer helpers about westpac
15.03.2018 [21:32:37] <GuKKDevel> yepp
15.03.2018 [21:32:49] <GuKKDevel> sorted it out with gero
15.03.2018 [21:34:16] <bdmc> Nothing heard.  Perhaps he will join us later.
15.03.2018 [21:34:16] <GuKKDevel> nothing more to say at the moment from me
15.03.2018 [21:34:40] <bdmc> Item 2.3.  Bug 1417, generating certificates.
15.03.2018 [21:34:49] <bdmc> Does anybody have anything to say, yet?
15.03.2018 [21:35:17] <PeterYuill> I had a busy 2 weeks, so little progress on my project, more next time.
15.03.2018 [21:35:35] <Etienne> Thank you, PeterYuill
15.03.2018 [21:35:37] <GuKKDevel> neither me
15.03.2018 [21:36:34] <GuKKDevel> did some work on another bug
15.03.2018 [21:37:22] <bdmc> Thank you both.
15.03.2018 [21:37:27] <bdmc> Greetings, Alex.
15.03.2018 [21:37:48] <GuKKDevel> bdmc you leftout 2.2
15.03.2018 [21:37:56] <bdmc> We are steaming through the Agenda.
15.03.2018 [21:38:02] <alex> hello :)
15.03.2018 [21:38:25] <GuKKDevel> hello alex 
15.03.2018 [21:38:45] <bdmc> GuKKDevel:  I went to 2.2, asked whether Dirk was present, since the Agenda said that he would talk to it, and nobody said anything.
15.03.2018 [21:38:50] <bdmc> We can certainly go back.
15.03.2018 [21:38:55] <GuKKDevel> may I ask who alex you are
15.03.2018 [21:39:05] <GuKKDevel> thanks bdmc
15.03.2018 [21:39:08] <alex> sure you may ask
15.03.2018 [21:39:23] <bdmc> B-)
15.03.2018 [21:39:28] <GuKKDevel> do you answer? 
15.03.2018 [21:39:32] <GuKKDevel> .-)
15.03.2018 [21:39:42] <alex> i dont understand the question
15.03.2018 [21:39:45] <alex> ;-)
15.03.2018 [21:39:50] <alex> alex@cacert
15.03.2018 [21:39:54] <Etienne> Are you Alex B or Alex UK?
15.03.2018 [21:39:57] <alex> B
15.03.2018 [21:39:59] <bdmc> OK, Alex, how about a last name?
15.03.2018 [21:40:03] <bdmc> Thank you.
15.03.2018 [21:40:04] <alex> alex@cacert ;-)
15.03.2018 [21:40:11] <alex> sorry for confusion. :)
15.03.2018 [21:40:27] <GuKKDevel> mostly we are new
15.03.2018 [21:40:28] <Etienne> May I present you Alex, our PR officer
15.03.2018 [21:40:34] <alex> but alex-uk is alex-uk because alex is registered nick and registered email :)
15.03.2018 [21:40:35] <GuKKDevel> ahh
15.03.2018 [21:40:52] <bdmc> OK, so GuKKDevel has requested.  Any comments on item 2.2?
15.03.2018 [21:41:03] <alex> oh i'm sorry, in this case i have to introduce myself :)
15.03.2018 [21:41:09] <GuKKDevel> I saw the testing system online
15.03.2018 [21:41:27] <bdmc> Running PHP 7.X?
15.03.2018 [21:41:31] <GuKKDevel> also test-mgr seems online
15.03.2018 [21:41:38] <GuKKDevel> I think so
15.03.2018 [21:41:48] <bdmc> Debian machine?
15.03.2018 [21:41:53] <GuKKDevel> yes
15.03.2018 [21:41:56] <Peter> Where is the test system?
15.03.2018 [21:42:05] <GuKKDevel> test.cacert.or
15.03.2018 [21:42:13] <GuKKDevel> or = org
15.03.2018 [21:42:35] <bdmc> So, is that a copy of production code running in the new environment?
15.03.2018 [21:42:36] <GuKKDevel> for test-mgr I would have to look
15.03.2018 [21:43:02] <bdmc> Or just the new environment?
15.03.2018 [21:43:06] <GuKKDevel> I think so, but some test will have to be done
15.03.2018 [21:43:13] <bdmc> Of course.
15.03.2018 [21:43:30] <bdmc> It is a good start, though.
15.03.2018 [21:44:02] <bdmc> Anyone else want to talk about 2.2?
15.03.2018 [21:44:43] <Peter> I will throw away my local test site.
15.03.2018 [21:45:09] <bdmc> Hmmm.  It might still be useful.
15.03.2018 [21:45:40] <Etienne> Dirk will join later, but before PeterYuill will leave.
15.03.2018 [21:45:56] <bdmc> OK, thank you.
15.03.2018 [21:46:06] <bdmc> In that case, are we ready for 2.4?
15.03.2018 [21:47:01] <bdmc> ( 45 minutes to go )
15.03.2018 [21:47:05] <GuKKDevel> may I ask to handle 2.3 previous?
15.03.2018 [21:47:31] <GuKKDevel> I did some research on this matter
15.03.2018 [21:48:05] <bdmc> OK, I thought that you and PeterYuill were talking about that earlier.
15.03.2018 [21:48:28] <GuKKDevel> sorry 2.5
15.03.2018 [21:48:51] <GuKKDevel> it is software to change
15.03.2018 [21:48:56] <bdmc> OK, let's stop for a minute, and see where we are in the Agenda.
15.03.2018 [21:49:13] <GuKKDevel> we are at 2.4
15.03.2018 [21:49:19] <bdmc> I think that we covered both 2.1.1 and 2.1.2 satisfactorily.
15.03.2018 [21:49:23] <GuKKDevel> but this will take much time 
15.03.2018 [21:49:48] <bdmc> We looked at 2.2, twice, and expect to hear from Dirk later.
15.03.2018 [21:49:59] <GuKKDevel> therefor I asked to do 2.5 befor we do 2.4
15.03.2018 [21:50:11] <bdmc> We, I think, discussed 2.3, briefly.
15.03.2018 [21:50:18] <bdmc> Am I correct, so far?
15.03.2018 [21:50:23] <GuKKDevel> because this would take little time
15.03.2018 [21:51:14] <GuKKDevel> I wanted to ask about 2.5 but accidentialy wrot 2.3
15.03.2018 [21:51:30] <Etienne> @bdmc: Let's do 2.5 and the rest of time for 2.4 and Dirk
15.03.2018 [21:51:46] <bdmc> OK. So I will consider that my review was correct, and, by request, will look at 2.5, next.
15.03.2018 [21:51:54] <GuKKDevel> thanks Etienne this was what I wanted to ask for
15.03.2018 [21:52:03] <bdmc> ( I get confused so easily! B-) )
15.03.2018 [21:52:23] <GuKKDevel> Sorry bdmc, my fault
15.03.2018 [21:52:57] <bdmc> No problem.  OK, so has anybody decide whether this can happen before 1417, or needs to wait?
15.03.2018 [21:53:11] <bdmc> ( decide = decided )
15.03.2018 [21:53:13] <GuKKDevel> As I wrote before we have to change source code
15.03.2018 [21:53:26] <GuKKDevel> I am working on this bug
15.03.2018 [21:53:40] <bdmc> OK, but it can happen before 1260, I presume?
15.03.2018 [21:54:08] <GuKKDevel> the problem is less urgent as thought of first
15.03.2018 [21:54:17] <bdmc> That's nice, for a change.
15.03.2018 [21:54:39] <GuKKDevel> only very few DNS-entries do have a CAA record at all
15.03.2018 [21:55:02] <bdmc> I know that it is early, but do you think that you can code once, or will you need to write code for both PHP 5 and PHP 7?
15.03.2018 [21:56:08] <GuKKDevel> as far as I have the needed code exist in both versions
15.03.2018 [21:56:28] <bdmc> OK, good.
15.03.2018 [21:56:45] <bdmc> Anything else you want to report, or anybody else want to comment?
15.03.2018 [21:57:01] <GuKKDevel> I think this will have a time of a year until it has to be
15.03.2018 [21:57:18] <bdmc> So, very urgent!   B-)
15.03.2018 [21:57:29] <alex> maybe we will have to check our status at CA/Board
15.03.2018 [21:57:51] <alex> because verification became mandatory by ... october or so last year
15.03.2018 [21:58:02] <Etienne> @GuKKDevel: What is your timetable?
15.03.2018 [21:58:03] <alex> it was already in pipeline for a good while
15.03.2018 [21:58:29] <bdmc> Good point, Alex.  Is anybody a member of that Forum, or at least monitoring it?
15.03.2018 [21:58:31] <GuKKDevel> can someone translate please?
15.03.2018 [21:58:44] <GuKKDevel> die records gelten nur für ein Jahr,
15.03.2018 [21:58:46] <alex> and when we want to achieve some respect in community and beyond we should respect the guidelines we have committed to
15.03.2018 [21:59:14] <GuKKDevel> wenn sich innerhalb der gültigkeit etwas ändert, bekommt das die CA gar nicht mit
15.03.2018 [21:59:15] <alex> if nobody of the current board i dont think so @ bdmc
15.03.2018 [21:59:39] <alex> the former-former board took care of it, and probably nobody since then.
15.03.2018 [21:59:55] <Etienne> The former auditor was our represent at CA/Forum (was or is still)
15.03.2018 [22:00:22] <bdmc> Thank you, Alex.  Another item for Action Items.  So Ian is or was a member?  OK.
15.03.2018 [22:00:24] <alex> GuKKDevel, they are valid for one year only? i understood differently from my material.
15.03.2018 [22:00:44] <Etienne> Not Ian, B... (Benedikt?)
15.03.2018 [22:01:09] <alex> i meant the board that left in the beginning of some agm or sgm event...
15.03.2018 [22:01:24] <GuKKDevel> I have to look up , but I think so
15.03.2018 [22:01:31] <alex> i think benedikt or  marcus was participating
15.03.2018 [22:01:51] <Etienne> Shoul I ask Benedikt?
15.03.2018 [22:02:11] <GuKKDevel> @Etienne would be best
15.03.2018 [22:02:16] <alex> i don't know the current status of our membership at this association. maybe we can get it there somehow first?
15.03.2018 [22:02:41] <alex> but i think we can also ask benedikt straight away.
15.03.2018 [22:03:59] <GuKKDevel> @Etienne do you have contact to ian? he could also know something
15.03.2018 [22:04:24] <bdmc> I can contact him. ( I will do so immediately after our meeting. )
15.03.2018 [22:04:24] <Etienne> Yes, I have, but first, I will write to Benedikt.
15.03.2018 [22:04:49] <GuKKDevel> so we can use both channels
15.03.2018 [22:04:53] <Etienne> @bdmc: OK, you write to Ian and I write to Benedikt
15.03.2018 [22:05:21] <bdmc> Will do.
15.03.2018 [22:05:24] <GuKKDevel> 25 minutes left
15.03.2018 [22:05:31] <bdmc> Agreed.
15.03.2018 [22:05:32] <Etienne> (Ian is online on Skype now)
15.03.2018 [22:06:01] <bdmc> OK, if we are ready to move on to 2.4, we can.
15.03.2018 [22:06:42] <Etienne> to idea 14: I have a 50 franc voucher from an online clothing store to win among donors up to a certain date: outfittery.ch
15.03.2018 [22:09:32] <GuKKDevel> great
15.03.2018 [22:09:56] <Etienne> What do you think about the 15 ideas: https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2018-03-01/ideas
15.03.2018 [22:10:12] <GuKKDevel> now we have to create a game where we could do it as a price
15.03.2018 [22:10:22] <bdmc> I don't have a good idea of "use" of that amount.  Is it significant for clothing?
15.03.2018 [22:11:43] <Etienne> @bdmc: buy a shirt and trousers for 150, then you pay only 100.
15.03.2018 [22:12:03] <GuKKDevel> I like the idea to write to our users for support
15.03.2018 [22:12:20] <alex> what means silver, gold, platinum... donator? is there any benefit or "just" the name and the good knowledge that you support a community for security?
15.03.2018 [22:12:52] <PeterYuill> I also think that a direct campaign is the best place to start.
15.03.2018 [22:13:13] <alex> ok i didnt read point 14 in time before asking...
15.03.2018 [22:13:40] <Etienne> @alex: it is about honor.
15.03.2018 [22:14:33] <Peter> Linux Mint does a good job of communicating with people and highlighting sponsors/donors: https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3509
15.03.2018 [22:15:15] <alex> good point @ Peter 
15.03.2018 [22:15:49] <bdmc> 13 and some of the others ( the Kickstarter idea ) can be for "bragging rights" on the CAcert.org web site, rather than starting a new, external, campaign.
15.03.2018 [22:16:36] <bdmc> Create a special page of Donors, whether showing the amount or not, but showing names, if they want them, or "Anonymous."
15.03.2018 [22:17:26] <bdmc> I agree that we need to make use of "social media," even, like others, I have no contact with anything other than LinkedIn.
15.03.2018 [22:17:35] <Etienne> If we write regularly on the blog, why not as Liux Mint included in the news?
15.03.2018 [22:17:42] <bdmc> ( even = even though )
15.03.2018 [22:18:29] <egal> my idea was to "pin" the first blog-entry to donation ... otherwise it will scroll out as soon as there are more blog-entries ...
15.03.2018 [22:19:08] <GuKKDevel> the idea of a sponsor page is good, but we need to update it at least one a month 
15.03.2018 [22:19:17] <egal> (but i have to check, if this is possible "out-of-box" or if it needs a workaround "somehow"
15.03.2018 [22:19:37] <bdmc> egal: we are using a home-grown solution, aren't we?
15.03.2018 [22:20:12] <egal> for blog we use wordpress ... and use a script(?) do get the top 3 entries to www.cacert.org
15.03.2018 [22:20:20] <alex> who looks regularly at blog.cacert.org?
15.03.2018 [22:20:30] <alex> i mean: open this particular site?
15.03.2018 [22:20:52] <bdmc> Looking at the LinuxMint page, they seem to tack the donors and sponsors to the bottom of the news article, not a special article.
15.03.2018 [22:21:15] <bdmc> egal: if it is Wordpress, then it is possible to "freeze" an item.
15.03.2018 [22:21:31] <Etienne> We should repair the blog-to-twitter-function.
15.03.2018 [22:21:32] <alex> i believe hardly anybody from the public and i would wonder if you do. so we cannot freeze on the main site
15.03.2018 [22:21:50] <alex> i think blog-to-twitter is already repaired?
15.03.2018 [22:21:50] <egal> everybody, who opens www.cacert.org sees the first lines of the first three blog-entries ...
15.03.2018 [22:22:21] <bdmc> If that article is always the top one on the blog site, then it should always be the first article on the web site.
15.03.2018 [22:22:31] <egal> @bdmc: correct
15.03.2018 [22:22:54] <alex> maybe we could link prominently on www to blog site?
15.03.2018 [22:23:00] <bdmc> ( ten minutes, folks )
15.03.2018 [22:23:39] <bdmc> alex: agreed.  I was trying to find some information about membership fees earlier from the main site, and had a lot of trouble.
15.03.2018 [22:23:39] <egal> @alex: that's why i think about pinnig the first blog-entry ... ;-)
15.03.2018 [22:23:51] <Etienne> CAcert_news stopped in 2016, but there are more recent blog entries.
15.03.2018 [22:24:59] <egal> (does not require any chances in our software ... ;-) )
15.03.2018 [22:25:16] <bdmc> Do we want to pause here for a moment and let Dirk talk about 2.2 before PeterYuill has to leave?
15.03.2018 [22:25:39] <alex> true @ Etienne . repair seems not having worked out...
15.03.2018 [22:26:00] <alex> yes, please dirk, talk
15.03.2018 [22:26:02] <GuKKDevel> could we also fix our affiliates(?) booking.com and googleadsense mor prominent?
15.03.2018 [22:27:08] <bdmc> egal: You're up.  Anything about Bug 1260?
15.03.2018 [22:27:40] <egal> bugs 1260 means?
15.03.2018 [22:27:52] <GuKKDevel> new debian
15.03.2018 [22:27:52] <bdmc> Sorry, the upgrade from PHP 5 to PHP 7.
15.03.2018 [22:27:54] <egal> (i'm currently not on bugs.cacert.org)
15.03.2018 [22:28:17] <GuKKDevel> new testserver
15.03.2018 [22:28:26] <GuKKDevel> new testmgr
15.03.2018 [22:28:29] <bdmc> And, more generally, bringing the environment into this century.
15.03.2018 [22:29:07] <egal> two days ago ted and i used the time at our secure-u-boardmeeting to check our accesses to the test-machines ...
15.03.2018 [22:29:38] <egal> ted and i do have full access to the testserver (status is the last backup of the it-sls-server)
15.03.2018 [22:30:21] <egal> ted and i do NOT have full access (only user, not root) to the testmanagement-server ... (reason: password lost) ... i'll contact wytze ...
15.03.2018 [22:30:21] <bdmc> Is that production code running on current Debian, or just the OS?
15.03.2018 [22:30:34] <GuKKDevel> reminder 21:30 UTC
15.03.2018 [22:30:55] <egal> the signer seems not to work currently for test-einvironment ... need to figure out, how we can do it ...
15.03.2018 [22:31:02] <PeterYuill> I can stay a few minutes longer
15.03.2018 [22:31:21] <egal> which means: no certificate-logins possible for test-environment ... ;-(
15.03.2018 [22:31:32] <bdmc> Sounds like good progress. ( well.... )
15.03.2018 [22:32:00] <GuKKDevel> but mysql can be tested wih password login?
15.03.2018 [22:32:14] <egal> sure ...
15.03.2018 [22:32:17] <bdmc> Is that the same issue as "can't create certificates in current browsers?"
15.03.2018 [22:32:23] <GuKKDevel> nope
15.03.2018 [22:33:14] <bdmc> Could it be a PHP 7.X issue?
15.03.2018 [22:33:15] <egal> test-environment has it's own test-CA ... ;-)
15.03.2018 [22:33:48] <bdmc> In other words, can you see all of the logging?
15.03.2018 [22:34:07] <GuKKDevel> we would need to install for the new testserver a new root-cert. 
15.03.2018 [22:34:42] <bdmc> That sounds possible.
15.03.2018 [22:34:50] <GuKKDevel> root-certmeans  test-root-cert
15.03.2018 [22:35:19] <GuKKDevel> can you do that dirk?
15.03.2018 [22:35:41] <egal> the test-roots? ... yep ...
15.03.2018 [22:36:11] <bdmc> But that isn't the only thing stopping the signer?
15.03.2018 [22:37:08] <GuKKDevel> so we could use them to create certificates to enter the test-site by certificate?
15.03.2018 [22:38:10] <GuKKDevel> on the other hand, is the test-manager working?
15.03.2018 [22:38:58] <egal> i don't know ... as we only have user-access to the server ...
15.03.2018 [22:39:13] <egal> need to check the database and coding of the testmanagement-server ...
15.03.2018 [22:39:56] <egal> (but the testmanagement-server is primary for creating accounts/... and (as far as i know) to "answer"/see the ping-mails from cacert
15.03.2018 [22:40:34] <bdmc> It plays the part of the "user," correct?
15.03.2018 [22:41:46] <PeterYuill> I have to go now, bye all.
15.03.2018 [22:41:53] <GuKKDevel> what about creating the user-database for the server from scratch? could you get full access then?
15.03.2018 [22:41:59] <egal> correct ... with some automatic scripts ...
15.03.2018 [22:42:00] <bdmc> Have a good morning, Peter.
15.03.2018 [22:42:36] <bdmc> GuKKDevel: It sounds as if you could create a whole new machine to perform that role.
15.03.2018 [22:42:44] <GuKKDevel> anydates you dont have time (for the next meeting?)
15.03.2018 [22:42:52] <egal> @gukkdevel: the missing root-access is to allow changes in the coding (maybe necessary for the changed domain)
15.03.2018 [22:43:07] <bdmc> However, if it just means that they need to get passwords changed, that shouldn't be too hard.
15.03.2018 [22:43:44] <egal> correct ... i'll ping wytze these days ...
15.03.2018 [22:44:21] <bdmc> Side question:  Are we thinking of two weeks for the next meeting?
15.03.2018 [22:45:23] <GuKKDevel> @egal can you pong us then onboard-private?
15.03.2018 [22:46:22] <bdmc> If you no longer have access, you can write to one or more of us, and we can transfer the message into board-private.
15.03.2018 [22:47:24] <GuKKDevel> we should meet in two weeks to talk about this agendas point 2.4 
15.03.2018 [22:47:40] <bdmc> That's what I was thinking, too.
15.03.2018 [22:48:07] <bdmc> egal: do you have anything more, or are there any more questions for Dirk?
15.03.2018 [22:48:22] <egal> write-access to board-private is always possible ... ;-)
15.03.2018 [22:48:32] <bdmc> B-)
15.03.2018 [22:48:56] <GuKKDevel> egal can I help with the pinning of sponsors? 
15.03.2018 [22:49:14] <GuKKDevel> wrong wording sorry
15.03.2018 [22:49:21] <bdmc> OK, nothing heard, and it sounds as if we are back to 2.4, anyway.
15.03.2018 [22:50:49] <bdmc> If you are interested, I can send the message that I wrote to my mailing list.  I don't know whether it might be useful for "social media" or other uses.
15.03.2018 [22:51:32] <GuKKDevel> sorry but I think if dirk can't say anything more we should quit this session and forward any thing to next meeting
15.03.2018 [22:52:10] <Peter> Good. i have to leave at 9
15.03.2018 [22:52:53] <GuKKDevel> of course we are interested, we could implement it into the mail I'm working on for at idea 12 campaign
15.03.2018 [22:53:01] <Etienne> And I at 23 (it is also in 8 minuts)
15.03.2018 [22:53:12] <bdmc> board-private?
15.03.2018 [22:53:58] <GuKKDevel> this would be best bdmc
15.03.2018 [22:54:27] <bdmc> Will do.
15.03.2018 [22:54:46] <bdmc> In that case, shall we say the 30th at 20:00 UTC?
15.03.2018 [22:54:59] <bdmc> ( 29th? )
15.03.2018 [22:55:00] <GuKKDevel> so what about april 5 th
15.03.2018 [22:55:46] <bdmc> Either one will do for me.
15.03.2018 [22:55:48] <GuKKDevel> 29th is easterweekend
15.03.2018 [22:55:58] <Peter> 5th/6th is good for me
15.03.2018 [22:56:11] <bdmc> Ah..  I don't pay much attention to those sorts of things until they happen!
15.03.2018 [22:56:24] <bdmc> Any other votes?
15.03.2018 [22:56:30] <Etienne> 5th of April is good for me too.
15.03.2018 [22:56:38] <GuKKDevel> I second peter
15.03.2018 [22:57:00] <GuKKDevel> alex doyou also have time then?
15.03.2018 [22:57:05] <alex> yes
15.03.2018 [22:57:06] <bdmc> OK. Done.  Thursday evening the 5th of April, Friday morning, the 6th South of the Equator.
15.03.2018 [22:57:14] <alex> i have time on 5/6
15.03.2018 [22:57:32] <GuKKDevel> I think you could be a help with socialmedia and so
15.03.2018 [22:57:43] <alex> i would like to aid.
15.03.2018 [22:57:50] <bdmc> We welcome you!
15.03.2018 [22:58:12] <GuKKDevel> same time 20:00 UTC?
15.03.2018 [22:58:16] <alex> thank you also for naming me "PR officer", I don't know wether i am re-elected.
15.03.2018 [22:58:24] <GuKKDevel> Thanks to alex
15.03.2018 [22:58:26] <bdmc> OK, any objection to us closing this meeting two minutes early?
15.03.2018 [22:58:27] <alex> If so, I cannot further do it alone, I need help!
15.03.2018 [22:59:01] <alex> We can talk about this topic maybe next time?
15.03.2018 [22:59:05] <GuKKDevel> Alex: this we should sort out next meeting
15.03.2018 [22:59:20] <bdmc> Understood, Alex.  We all need help, and so have formed ad-hoc sub-committees.  If there are any volunteers, or if you have anybody who can help, Alex, let us know.
15.03.2018 [22:59:43] <alex> thanks
15.03.2018 [23:00:04] <Etienne> Question time?
15.03.2018 [23:00:24] <Peter> Bye. See you on 6th.
15.03.2018 [23:00:39] <bdmc> Oh, yes.  I keep forgetting that.
15.03.2018 [23:00:51] <bdmc> Any questions, folks?
15.03.2018 [23:01:31] <bdmc> We can at least get them into the minutes, and carry them forward into our next meeting.
15.03.2018 [23:02:12] <Etienne> (It is not for the question, but for the people on the flor.....)
15.03.2018 [23:02:46] <alex> ;)
15.03.2018 [23:03:52] <GuKKDevel> doesn't look so
15.03.2018 [23:03:58] <bdmc> We have had a pretty busy meeting, with everybody taking part.
15.03.2018 [23:04:13] <alex> :)
15.03.2018 [23:04:35] <bdmc> OK, I will wait until :05, and then we can consider this meeting closed.
15.03.2018 [23:05:24] <bdmc> Since both Peters have already left, I will say Good Night, all!

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