1 --- Log opened Sun Apr 10 12:39:18 2016
   2 12:39 -!- Irssi: #sgm: Total of 28 nicks [4 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 24 normal]
   3 12:39 -!- Irssi: Join to #sgm was synced in 0 secs
   4 12:40 -!- iang [iang@78.32.232.233] has left #SGM []
   5 12:43 < IanGrigg> Hi folks … could we all set up our Nicks in advance?  slash-Nick then full name
   6 12:43 < IanGrigg> Could those with proxies also get going in advance of the meeting and get them ready for listing……..
   7 12:45 < alex> as yesterday: doesnt work out for me :-/
   8 12:46 < alex> what are you doing different than me? not even error message. just goes to null
   9 12:46 -!- Keepnick: Nickstealer left [CAcert], got JanDittberner back
  10 12:46 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> leaeve the #vote cnan
  11 12:47 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> also board-meeting may block
  12 12:47 < IanGrigg> Yes - you have to drop out of #SGM and #vote it seems - then change the nick - then add back in….
  13 12:47 < EvaStoewe> only #vote
  14 12:47 < EvaStoewe> the others are not moderated
  15 12:48 < AlexanderBahlo> ?
  16 12:48 < AlexanderBahlo> i may try it
  17 12:48 < IanGrigg> How do we run the voting bot?  How do we do the voicing?  Is there someone who can handle this for us?
  18 12:49 < EvaStoewe> nb can you help?
  19 12:49 < EvaStoewe> felix: can you help
  20 12:49 < alex-uk[IanAlastairRobertson]> .
  21 12:49 < AlexanderBahlo> !
  22 12:49 < AlexanderBahlo> thanks
  23 12:51 < JanDittberner> felix is Op in the #vote channel, the bot is still running but I do not know how to use it ... Phillip should know but is not here yet AFAICS
  24 12:52 < IanGrigg> Does anyone know the votebot command, and can run the votebot?
  25 12:52 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> does Benny know?
  26 12:52 < IanGrigg> yes I just phone him, no response.
  27 12:54 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> I found this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VoteBot
  28 12:54 < ChristianRecktenwald> https://github.com/CAcertOrg/cacert-votebot
  29 12:55 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> but the commands have do be done from an operator i believe
  30 12:55 < EvaStoewe> dirk should be here and know the commands, soon
  31 12:55 < JanDittberner> the bot is still running but we need an Op to run the commands
  32 12:55 < EvaStoewe> felix_: are you there?
  33 12:57 < ChristianRecktenwald> Is some server op to shut down #vote so it could be recreated?
  34 12:58 < EvaStoewe> in #vote
  35 13:01 < IanGrigg> From yesterday we seem to have @GeroTreuner and myself who were voted onto the committee?
  36 13:02 < IanGrigg> Before we can formally open the meeting we need to establish a chair.
  37 13:02 < dirk_on_server> and me ...
  38 13:02 < AlexanderBahlo> dirk_on_server 
  39 13:02 <@VoteBot> New Vote: JanDittberner has started a vote on "Test vote"
  40 13:02 <@VoteBot> Please cast your vote in #vote
  41 13:02 < IanGrigg> ok - but can you change your nym?
  42 13:03 < EvaStoewe> thank you JanDittberner 
  43 13:03 < IanGrigg> Aha - a testvote. Let’s do that!
  44 13:03 < AlexanderBahlo> no, only voiced members can cast a vote
  45 13:03 < EvaStoewe> we do not have voice
  46 13:03 < dirk_on_server> correct ... have some issues to update my name on this machine ... and to connect from the "normal" machine ...
  47 13:03 < EvaStoewe> so cannot do
  48 13:03 < GeroTreuner> few people have voice in #vote
  49 13:03 < dirk_on_server> ... will fix i within some minutes ...
  50 13:03 < EvaStoewe> dirk_on_server: leave #vote change nick and join
  51 13:04 < IanGrigg> ah Vote is moderated.
  52 13:04 < EvaStoewe> if we need vote we can try to set it up somewhere else
  53 13:04 < EvaStoewe> but maybe we do not need to vote?
  54 13:04 < ChristianRecktenwald>     /LOG OPEN -autoopen -targets #SGM /tmp/irclog-%Y-%m-%d-sgm
  55 13:04 <@VoteBot> Voting on Test vote will end in 30 seconds.
  56 13:04 < EvaStoewe> I propose that the three present board members select an acting president and that person is chair for this meeting
  57 13:04 <@VoteBot> Voting on Test vote has closed.
  58 13:04 <@VoteBot> Results: for Test vote:
  59 13:04 <@VoteBot> AYE: 0
  60 13:04 <@VoteBot> NAYE: 0
  61 13:04 < LambertHofstra> second
  62 13:04 <@VoteBot> ABSTAIN: 0
  63 13:05 < GuillaumrRomagny> second
  64 13:05 < BerndJantzen>  Second
  65 13:05 < IanAlastairRobertson> aye
  66 13:06 < GeroTreuner> So I propose Dirk as chair person.
  67 13:06 < IanGrigg> I am fine with that.
  68 13:06 < GuillaumrRomagny> second
  69 13:06 < IanAlastairRobertson> @Ian - can you ask for objections on the first motion please
  70 13:06 < dirk_on_server> nope ...
  71 13:07 < IanGrigg> Sure - any objections to Dirk - ? Oh from Dirk.
  72 13:07 < dirk_on_server> have some technical issues here ...
  73 13:07 < EvaStoewe> I propose Ian
  74 13:07 < IanGrigg> OK, that is fine - are there any objections from me?
  75 13:07 < AlexanderBahlo> :)
  76 13:07 < IanAlastairRobertson> from you or for you
  77 13:07 < GeroTreuner> no objections
  78 13:07 < IanGrigg> for me, yes sorry
  79 13:08 < IanGrigg> against me, with me, pick your verb :)
  80 13:08 < ChristianRecktenwald> no objections
  81 13:08 < GuillaumrRomagny> accepted
  82 13:08 < IanGrigg> ok - so proceeding for the moment as we are at a show of hands vote at this stage.
  83 13:08 < IanGrigg> Now, I open the meeting at 12:08.
  84 13:08 < IanGrigg> Please all set your nicks to full name with /nick FIrstLast.
  85 13:09 < IanGrigg> Is anyone available to take minutes?
  86 13:09 < EvaStoewe> I volunteer
  87 13:09 < IanGrigg> Thank you!
  88 13:09 < IanGrigg> Now, we have an open question before us.
  89 13:09 < MarioLipinski> 12:08 in which time zone?
  90 13:09 < IanGrigg> Good point - my clock - 13:08 UTC is that correct?
  91 13:10 < EvaStoewe> I'll figure that in the minutes @MarioLipinski 
  92 13:10 < IanGrigg> yeah please….
  93 13:10 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> must be 11:10 UTC
  94 13:10 < IanGrigg> thanks :)
  95 13:10 < IanGrigg> Open question - does anyone believe there are motions to be established ?
  96 13:10 < IanAlastairRobertson> Can I highlight that this meeting is under the oversight of an arbitration ruling please
  97 13:10 < EvaStoewe> I dont
  98 13:10 < BerndJantzen> no
  99 13:11 < WernerDworak> By, the way, if I see it right, yesterday not all candidates did confirm their nomination and none of the board member did accept his election. Therefore I regard the present board not as valid
 100 13:11 < IanGrigg> As far as I know, yesterday’s motions covered all the business required, and we may introduce no new business.
 101 13:11 < GuillaumrRomagny> nope
 102 13:11 < LambertHofstra> I think all motions were covered yesterday
 103 13:11 < EvaStoewe> agree IanGrigg 
 104 13:11 < BrianMcCullough> Yesterday, I asked about the missing parts of the Agenda, particularly the Time and Date.  Is that a moot point?
 105 13:11 < IanGrigg> @WernerDworak your point is acknowledged but for the time being we work on.
 106 13:11 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> whats about the remark of werner?
 107 13:12 < BennyBaumann> second
 108 13:12 < EvaStoewe> BrianMcCullough: what missing parts of the agenda? the agenda was fixed by arbitration
 109 13:12 < GeroTreuner> I think that we have no business, too
 110 13:12 < EvaStoewe> arbitrator is LambertHofstra he can be asked here :)
 111 13:12 < BrianMcCullough> In the top paragraph, under "Meeting" there are placeholders for Time and Date.
 112 13:13 < BrianMcCullough> There are other placeholders, too.
 113 13:13 < IanGrigg> Can you identify the missing parts please.
 114 13:13 < EvaStoewe> the wiki is not the agenda only shows the agenda
 115 13:13 < EvaStoewe> agenda was in mails
 116 13:13 < IanAlastairRobertson> These could not have been set at the time of the required edit
 117 13:13 < BrianMcCullough> OK, thank you.
 118 13:13 < EvaStoewe> which was the fixed reference in the invitation
 119 13:13 < IanGrigg> The agenda was shown as being revision 13 of the original page.
 120 13:13 < EvaStoewe> I did review that part because of another arbitration caes
 121 13:14 < EvaStoewe> and later the agenda was fixed by ruling by LambertHofstra and it is binding on us
 122 13:14 < GuillaumrRomagny> @Eva, yes
 123 13:14 < EvaStoewe> so we just have to accept it :)
 124 13:15 < BrianMcCullough> Maybe my browser did not work correctly, but I used the link given in the Title, here, and got an Agenda with placeholders.
 125 13:15 < IanGrigg> Yes there is an issue with the wiki pages - they ahve been moved around and we are not clear on the pages.
 126 13:15 < BrianMcCullough> However, if nobody else has an issue, I don't, either.
 127 13:16 < IanGrigg> So, I ask again - is there any substantive motion that we can vote on in today’s meeting?
 128 13:16 < ChristianRecktenwald> So where is a prepresentation of our agenda for today ?
 129 13:16 < IanGrigg> If so, can that be proposed.
 130 13:16 < EvaStoewe> BrianMcCullough: LambertHofstra is the ruling arbitrator who fixed the agenda for this meeting and he says we have no business to do, so this is probably fixing the business questoin
 131 13:16 < EvaStoewe> we have to accept his ruling
 132 13:17 < EvaStoewe> https://wiki.cacert.org/SGM/Next
 133 13:17 < EvaStoewe> it was updated
 134 13:17 < EvaStoewe> not by me but I saw some relevant editing
 135 13:17 < GeroTreuner> Link should be https://wiki.cacert.org/SGM/20160409?action=recall&rev=13
 136 13:18 < LambertHofstra> Both SGM 's had the same topics / agenda , and you cannot revote on the same topics without informing all members so there are no topics left IMHO
 137 13:18 < IanGrigg> OK, so in absence of that there is no need to calculate the full proxies list, and we can accept it as on the /Next list.
 138 13:18 < GeroTreuner> I identified it as the page subject to the arbitration ruling where it is located after moving.
 139 13:18 < EvaStoewe> as we have no op in this channel who is responding the topic cannot be fixed
 140 13:18 < GuillaumrRomagny> so pooint 1 and point 4 to call
 141 13:19 < EvaStoewe> no 4 is not available
 142 13:19 < EvaStoewe> blocked by the "no" on 3
 143 13:19 < IanGrigg> Next - the members present are identified by their appearance in the channel here.  Can everyone who has not spoken as yet please speak to make themselves available in the minutes.
 144 13:19 < BennyBaumann> IMHO there are differences between the proxies of yesterday and tomorrow ...
 145 13:19 < EvaStoewe> everybody please write "*"
 146 13:19 < BennyBaumann> s/tomorrow/today/
 147 13:19 < dirk_on_server> being now online as DirkAstrath ... ;-)
 148 13:20 < EvaStoewe> to be identified as being present for this meeting (with all proxies) in the minutes
 149 13:20 < BrianMcCullough> *
 150 13:20 < GuillaumrRomagny> @BennyB yesterday and today 
 151 13:20 < EvaStoewe> BennyBaumann: I am aware of that
 152 13:20 < BennyBaumann> GuillaumrRomagny: Already corrected ...
 153 13:20 < EvaStoewe> for reference of the proxies there is a table of marcus attached to yesterdays meeting
 154 13:20 < IanGrigg> @BennyBaumann  there may well be differences, but as we have no substantive motion, there is no need to count them.
 155 13:20 < GuillaumrRomagny> @BennyB yes I was too late, sorry
 156 13:20 < EvaStoewe> *
 157 13:20 < LambertHofstra> *
 158 13:20 < ChristianRecktenwald> *
 159 13:20 < dirk_on_server> *
 160 13:20 < GuillaumrRomagny> *
 161 13:20 < IanAlastairRobertson> *
 162 13:21 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> *
 163 13:21 < BerndJantzen> I will try to follow as best as possible, but with interruptions as I'm not at home.
 164 13:21 < IanGrigg> *
 165 13:21 < WernerDworak> *
 166 13:21 < DirkAstrath> being now online as DirkAstrath ... ;-)
 167 13:21 < DirkAstrath> *
 168 13:21 < BennyBaumann> IanGrigg: if we skip those formalities of identifying proxies we are open for dispute ...
 169 13:21 < BennyBaumann> *
 170 13:21 < GeroTreuner> *
 171 13:21 < IanGrigg> @BennyBaumann I understand your point - we move on.
 172 13:22 < EvaStoewe> any more stars?
 173 13:22 < IanGrigg> Next point of business - Point 1 - are there any new members to accept?  I believe not?
 174 13:22 < EvaStoewe> I am not aware of a new member
 175 13:22 < GuillaumrRomagny> nope
 176 13:22 < IanGrigg> Well, even that was considered as business yesterday and falls under the ruling.
 177 13:22 < IanGrigg> ok.  Next business is point 2, and this is all covered yesterday.
 178 13:22 < IanAlastairRobertson> I am not aware of any - there may be some in secretaies mail
 179 13:23 < BennyBaumann> I object to want to see the ID for dirk_on_server being a real person :P
 180 13:23 < IanGrigg> Finaly is points 3, and 4, also covered yesterday.
 181 13:23 < IanGrigg> Objection noted.  As there is no motion to be put, the point is moot.
 182 13:23 < EvaStoewe> I can verify that dirk_on_server answered to a question I asked him via phone
 183 13:23 < IanGrigg> We will allow the minutes writer to decide whether Dirk made it to the meeting or not :)
 184 13:24 < DirkAstrath> @BennyBaumann: I'm now here (and only here) ... dirk_on_server is my logging machine ...
 185 13:24 < EvaStoewe> so I belive he is a person CARS
 186 13:24 < IanGrigg> So, with no further business that we are required to cover, I believe the meeting can be closed.
 187 13:24 -!- mode/#sgm [+o MarioLipinski] by Anonymous126
 188 13:24 < DirkAstrath> (only if i'm not able to connect using my normal account i write from dirk_on_server )
 189 13:24 < IanGrigg> Does anyone object, and specifically have business that has to be covered?
 190 13:24 < BennyBaumann> DirkAstrath: I did not object DirkAstrath is a person; I only objected dirk_on_server is ;-)
 191 13:24 -!- mode/#sgm [+o IanGrigg] by MarioLipinski
 192 13:24 <@IanGrigg> Ah, you are kinder than I :)
 193 13:25 < DirkAstrath> as i explained: it's a logging machine ;-)
 194 13:25 < GuillaumrRomagny> @BennyB :)
 195 13:25 < LambertHofstra> @IanGrigg no objection from me
 196 13:25 < BrianMcCullough> I move to adjourn.
 197 13:25 < GuillaumrRomagny> seconded
 198 13:25 < IanAlastairRobertson> No  to adjourn - implies matters not covered
 199 13:25 < BennyBaumann> aye
 200 13:26 < IanAlastairRobertson> meeting should be closed
 201 13:26 < GeroTreuner> second
 202 13:26 < EvaStoewe> I move to close meeting
 203 13:26 <@IanGrigg> Meetign should be closed, and I recognise that @BrianMcCullough meant that.
 204 13:26 < GuillaumrRomagny> I move we close 
 205 13:26 < JanDittberner> second
 206 13:26 < GuillaumrRomagny> seconded
 207 13:26 < LambertHofstra> second to closing the meeting
 208 13:26 <@IanGrigg> thank you, I therefore declare the meeting closed.
 209 13:26 < IanAlastairRobertson> aye to close
 210 13:26 < ChristianRecktenwald> close
 211 13:26 < AlexanderBahlo> thank you
 212 13:26 <@IanGrigg> 11:26 UTC
 213 13:26 < GuillaumrRomagny> (aye to close)
 214 13:26 < BennyBaumann> LambertHofstra: It wasn't formally opened correct.
 215 13:26 <@IanGrigg> Thank you all for your attendance and for using up valuable northern sunny hours
 216 13:27 < EvaStoewe> thank you ian
 217 13:28  * GuillaumrRomagny relieved
 218 13:28 < Q2000> Eva, do you need a log?
 219 13:28 < GuillaumrRomagny> @Iang Thanks Chairman
 220 13:28 -!- GeroTreuner [dops@dops.innocircle.com] has left #SGM []
 221 13:28 < GuillaumrRomagny> @PhilippDunkel Welcome
 222 13:28 < IanAlastairRobertson> Thanks elected chair
 223 13:29 < JanDittberner> I'll attach the log to the wiki page
 224 13:29 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> befor all leave
 225 13:29 < IanAlastairRobertson> ,
 226 13:29 < IanAlastairRobertson> ].
 227 13:29 < IanAlastairRobertson> .
 228 13:29 < WernerDworak> By, the way, if I see it right, yesterday not all candidates did confirm their nomination and none of the board member did accept his election. Therefore I regard the present board not as valid
 229 13:29 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> how can be clarified for next time to have operators in the channels
 230 13:29 < BennyBaumann> IanAlastairRobertson: That Brainfuck source code does not compile ;-)
 231 13:30 <@MarioLipinski> regarding WernerDworaks comment: Can any board member send an email to cacert-members@lists that he accepts his nomination?
 232 13:30 < BennyBaumann> It has to be confirmed at the meeting IMHO
 233 13:30 <@MarioLipinski>  /election
 234 13:31 < Q2000> And let us know when the board officially starts?
 235 13:31 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> in the meeting that is filed to the OTF
 236 13:31 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> ?
 237 13:31 < IanAlastairRobertson> @benny - sorry - are you aware that I am visually impaired
 238 13:32 < Q2000> @BennyBauman a chair was selected from the people that were selected as board members, might not yet be the official board