1 [20:07] --> dops (gero@faun.innocircle.com) hat #board-meeting betreten
   2 [20:40] --> MitchMaifeld (405c0817@localhost) hat #board-meeting betreten
   3 [20:56] --> bdmc (bdmc@75.182.213.101) hat #board-meeting betreten
   4 [20:58] --> pnunn (user@119-17-137-218.771189.mel.static.aussiebb.net) hat #board-meeting betreten
   5 [20:59] <pnunn> Good morning all
   6 [20:59] <egal> morning? ... it's 9 pm here in german
   7 [20:59] <egal> ... so ... good evening ... ;-)
   8 [21:00] <bdmc> Good Evening Dirk.  'Morning Peter.  Nice to "see" you.
   9 [21:00] <MitchMaifeld> Good Afternoon!
  10 [21:01] <bdmc> MitchMaifeld: Mitch, are you "here," or just your machine?
  11 [21:01] <pnunn> How are we all... freezing over your side of the planet?
  12 [21:01] <MitchMaifeld> Here.
  13 [21:01] <MitchMaifeld> Present
  14 [21:01] <bdmc> I see that you answered my question as I was asking it.
  15 [21:01] <bdmc> pnunn: Not really.  It is about 10.
  16 [21:02] <pnunn> I see... 21C and very wet here, SO different from last year.
  17 [21:02] <bdmc> Great to hear.  No smoke, I presume?
  18 [21:02] <pnunn> Not this side of the country, Western Australia is unfortunately well alight though.
  19 [21:03] <bdmc> Just as the Western side of this continent has been.
  20 [21:03] <bdmc> I see a nice group of people, but not so many Board Members.
  21 [21:04] <pnunn> Its crazy 
  22 [21:04] <egal> i already pinged FD ... but he didn't read my telegram message ..
  23 [21:05] <bdmc> What I read some time ago was that "modern" forest management ( most of the past century ) creates too much litter and flammable "stuff" in the forest, instead of letting it clean up naturally.  Now they are paying the price.
  24 [21:06] <pnunn> Yes, we are suffering from ignoring the fire management of the Aboriginal culture for 200 years.
  25 [21:06] --> Etienne (00000000@localhost) hat #board-meeting betreten
  26 [21:06] <bdmc> Is is only in the past few years that some people have started arguing for "natural" burning, whether allowing lightning to do the job, or doing it manually.
  27 [21:07] <egal> gruezi etienne
  28 [21:07] <Etienne> Salü egal
  29 [21:07] <bdmc> Bonne nuit!
  30 [21:07] <pnunn> We do a LOT of burning off here during the right weather, but the time to do that is getting shorter and shorter because of climate change.
  31 [21:08] <bdmc> Etienne: we are just chatting, waiting for everybody to arrive.
  32 [21:08] <Etienne> ;-)
  33 [21:10] <bdmc> egal: How is forest management done in Germany?  Is it allowed to grow wild, or does controlled burning happen, or do the janitors go out with their brooms?
  34 [21:13] <Etienne> Burning without an officially tested soot particle filter is prohibited. There is compost and recycling in Switzerland. Although the recycling rate is only about 60-80% (depending on the product; PET, glass, alu, paper, card, ...).
  35 [21:14] <bdmc> Peter and I were talking about "wild" forests, not people's own property.  
  36 [21:16] <Etienne> Composting is also possible in the forest. No open fires. When I was a child, the embankments of country roads were burnt down. Today, the grass is cut and then fermented, and the biogas is sold.
  37 [21:17] <Etienne> Some supermarkets market themselves as particularly "green" by fuelling their lorries with biogas obtained from unsold vegetables and fruits.
  38 [21:17] <bdmc> That sounds like a good plan.  We don't have much biogas here, except a few people creating or consuming biodiesel.
  39 [21:18] <bdmc> From what I understand, most of that comes from used cooking oil from restaurants and such.
  40 [21:19] <bdmc> Well, should we get things going?  I think that I counted at least three of us.
  41 [21:19] <pnunn> Yes, probably. I need to be gone in about an hour now.
  42 [21:20] <Etienne> Biodiesel is also an interesting thing. Anything that can be recycled is exciting. Saves raw materials. Creates local jobs. And protects the climate.
  43 [21:20] <Etienne> https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2021-02-04
  44 [21:20] <bdmc> pnunn: Are you able to get out to work yet, or are you still "at home?"
  45 [21:21] <bdmc> OK, I will call this meeting to order, and try to set a time limit of 60 minutes.
  46 [21:21] <pnunn> Its better than it was... but we now have some UK strain in the community thanks to some clown deciding the Australian open should run.
  47 [21:22] <bdmc> Is there anyting in either of the mailing lists that we should bring forward, or is it all in the Agenda, already?
  48 [21:22] <Etienne> Some discussion on policy list - What is mandatory and feasible, what is only desirable but can be postponed due to staff shortages?
  49 [21:23] <bdmc> Not officially one of "our" mailing lists, but yes, I think that we will touch on that later in the Agenda.
  50 [21:23] <bdmc> Item 2.1.1 -- CCA Changes
  51 [21:24] <bdmc> I presume that this the the "location" change?
  52 [21:25] <Etienne> Yes, writing and translating the information, get in touch with critical for sending. The secretary prepared it for about 90%, but as his wife were in hospital for two weeks and he was alone (not in home office) with the family, it is delayed.
  53 [21:25] <Etienne> (hospital = not covid19)
  54 [21:26] <bdmc> Etienne: I hope that she is feeling better.  Wish her well from us.
  55 [21:26] <pnunn> Indeed.
  56 [21:27] <Etienne> Thank you, this week started to be better. She will start work in mid february.
  57 [21:27] <bdmc> Item 2.1.2 -- Treasurer
  58 [21:28] <bdmc> Did we discuss the "figure-head" option with Frederic, and assemble the Finance Team?
  59 [21:28] <Etienne> The Secretary updated the President's list with more telephone numbers and started to distribute them. French and Polish to FD, some english to Brian. There are more English ones to call. Who could take one or two too?
  60 [21:29] <Etienne> Yes, to call new volunteers that said may-be helping with finance. (in september 2019)
  61 [21:29] --> FredericDumas (f.dumas@31.179.160.58) hat #board-meeting betreten
  62 [21:29] <bdmc> Sorry, I had forgotten the details from last month.
  63 [21:30] <FredericDumas> Good evening, dear fellows !
  64 [21:31] <Etienne> Good evening FredericDumas
  65 [21:31] <pnunn> Morning FredericDumas
  66 [21:31] <bdmc> Would you please re-send me my parts of the list ( I can take others ), since I seem to have misplaced it since last working on it last month.  Not having meetings more often has allowed me to forget what I am doing.
  67 [21:32] <bdmc> FredericDumas: Greetings.  We are at Item 2.1.2(and 3 ).
  68 [21:32] <FredericDumas> Oh! I forgot to switch my nickname back to the regular on. What is the syntax on IRC Slash + nick ?
  69 [21:32] <FredericDumas> Good evening Etienne, Peter (nice to see you back), Brian!
  70 [21:32] <-> FredericDumas heißt jetzt FD
  71 [21:33] <FD> It worked.
  72 [21:33] <Etienne> We have 3 without telephone number, 1x Polish (attributed to FD), 1x French (attributed to FD), 6x English (attributed to bdmc and maybe someone more)
  73 [21:35] <bdmc> Etienne:  Thank you. I can take those six, and try again.
  74 [21:35] <Etienne> maybe the candidate from SriLanka is better reachable from an Australian Time zone than from an american one, pnunn?
  75 [21:35] <pnunn> Sure, happy to take that on.
  76 [21:36] <Etienne> Thank you, Peter. I will resend the list and the draft for finance team that gives an idea for the tasks.
  77 [21:36] <pnunn> Thanks..
  78 [21:37] <bdmc> Item 2.1.4 -- ABC
  79 [21:37] <bdmc> I thought that we covered this last month, or is this a second question?
  80 [21:38] <Etienne> Yes it was. Just now is a conference between critical and Ted concerning ABC, they work hard on the topic.
  81 [21:39] <egal> currently there is a CBC-telco running ...
  82 [21:39] <Etienne> Maybe we can come back to the very beginning: Minutes from 7 Jan 2021?
  83 [21:40] <bdmc> Anything more that we need to do here, yet?
  84 [21:40] <egal> maybe you could delay the ABC/CBC-issues a little bit ... ;-)
  85 [21:40] <bdmc> Etienne: I apologize, I missed that step because of the time, but you are correct.  That is needed.
  86 [21:40] <Etienne> https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2021-01-07#Minutes
  87 [21:41] <bdmc> That's interesting -- I don't see the previous minutes mentioned in the Agenda.
  88 [21:45] <Etienne> The minutes from December? They are still missing. There was no minutes keeper and I have no log file saved.
  89 [21:45] <bdmc> Approval of previous minutes should be listed in the Agenda.
  90 [21:47] <bdmc> Has everybody had a chance to look at last month's minutes?  If so, may I have a motion to approve them?
  91 [21:47] <Etienne> Oh, yes, I see, someone sleept while writing/copying the agenda.
  92 [21:47] <pnunn> :)
  93 [21:49] <Etienne> I move to accept the Minutes of the meeting of the 7th January 2021.
  94 [21:49] <bdmc> Second
  95 [21:49] <Etienne> aye
  96 [21:49] <pnunn> abs
  97 [21:49] <bdmc> All in favour?
  98 [21:49] <bdmc> Aye
  99 [21:50] <Etienne> FD?
 100 [21:50] <FD> i was reading the minutes
 101 [21:50] <Etienne> Sorry.
 102 [21:50] <bdmc> Oh, no!  Doing his job.
 103 [21:52] <bdmc> While we are waiting, is there anything more that we need to do today with item 2.1.4?
 104 [21:52] <bdmc> I don't think so.
 105 [21:53] <FD> There is just the logfile of the IRC session which is lacking. The text itself is OK.
 106 [21:53] <bdmc> Item 2.1.5 -- Class 3 Root Certificate
 107 [21:54] <bdmc> egal: Do I understand that this is under way, and that we just need to wait to give Critical approval to swap, or can we do that now?
 108 [21:55] <Etienne> You apporved just this sentence in the minutes: Currently it don't need a motion about class-3-resigning, but as soon as the resigning is done at BIT, the critical sys admin needs the OK to activate the resigned class-3-root-certificate.
 109 [21:56] <bdmc> Yes, so that was why I was asking whether we could give that approval now, before the new certificate had been created?
 110 [21:56] <bdmc> Allowing the Critical Team Leader to do things on his schedule.
 111 [21:56] <egal> okay ... just finihed a call i had in the last minutes ...
 112 [21:57] <Etienne> I am sorry, the agenda is a mess. I think we can do 1.7/2.2/3. - the rest is done or ongoing.
 113 [21:57] <egal> the lockdown in NL (where our servers are) is exted to march 9 ... so it's not possible to travel (and therefore access the server)
 114 [21:57] <bdmc> Work does get in the way, doesn't it?
 115 [21:58] <bdmc> egal: Understood, and that is after our next meeting.  Would an approval at that time be useful?
 116 [21:58] <egal> regarding the process etienne names: that's correct ...
 117 [21:59] <egal> correct ... but ... board-motions are not limited to board-meetings only ...
 118 [22:00] <FD> Regarding the minutes, I believe that Etienne did the right work. But points 1.6 and 1.7 are not clear, because I do not remember what they where related to.
 119 [22:00] <Etienne> 1.6 was for board members to ad more topics.
 120 [22:00] <bdmc> OK.  Let us put an item in the March Agenda to give the Critical Team Lead approval to change certificates at an appropriate time after the March Board Meeting?
 121 [22:00] <bdmc> ( change ? to . )
 122 [22:01] <egal> we should have it on our agend for march ... to get the current status of a possible at BIT
 123 [22:01] <Etienne> 1.7. ist to know who does what. I noticed: bdmc calls 5 finance volunteers, pnunn one, FD two, I deal with OFT and finish the relocation mailing with critical.
 124 [22:02] <bdmc> OK, moving on.  Items 2.2.x -- 
 125 [22:02] <Etienne> More tasks board members will do in the next 4 weeks?
 126 [22:02] <bdmc> FD: Do you have any news or comment on these items?
 127 [22:02] <egal> community background check?
 128 [22:02] <Etienne> egal: Business Model "security hardware appliances" (FD)
 129 [22:03] <egal> did you follow policy group and read bernhards proposal/ideas of a new background check?
 130 [22:03] <bdmc> egal: I will get back to you shortly.
 131 [22:04] <bdmc> OK, all.  Let's pause to collect ourselves.  We have multiple items outstanding.   Going back to Item 2.1.4 -- ABC ( CBC )
 132 [22:04] <FD> https://conference.germanywestcentral.cloudapp.azure.com/html5client/join?sessionToken=bc8p811k8ezzrtzs
 133 [22:05] <bdmc> FD: Is this related to the ABC/CBC item?
 134 [22:05] <pnunn> I did read them.. I don't see a problem with what is proposed, it seems logical.
 135 [22:05] <FD> Bernhard is invinting you for a short online summary about the CBC and the last talks he had.
 136 [22:05] <egal> yep
 137 [22:05] <bdmc> Is that something that we need to stop this meeting for?
 138 [22:05] <FD> This is the very topic, this is why I propose to join its channel now.
 139 [22:06] <bdmc> As you wish.
 140 [22:07] <FD> Sorry guys, I made a mistake and gave the link with my own token. The right link for everybody is https://conference.germanywestcentral.cloudapp.azure.com/b/ber-n8r-r5b-a1v
 141 [22:07] <MitchMaifeld> Gotta go to my next meeting, sorry.  Next time.
 142 [22:08] <FD> Hi Mitchel! And good bye, sorry for not having notices earlier that you were here.
 143 [22:14] <-- MitchMaifeld (405c0817@localhost) hat das Netzwerk verlassen (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand-crafted IRC client)
 144 [22:26] <bdmc> pnunn: I imagine that you are going to have to leave before this meeting can resume.
 145 [22:27] <pnunn> I'll leave the IRC running, I'll only be gone for about 15 minutes, so if your still going I will jump back in.
 146 [22:30] <pnunn> OK, I have to head out.. I'll talk to you later if your still going. If not, next time. Take great care everyone.
 147 [22:32] <bdmc> I guess that I will quit, too, since this Board Meeting seems to have stopped.
 148 [22:33] <Etienne> pnunn and bdmc, I think we will get mor information about ABC next time...
 149 [22:50] <pnunn> OK, I'm back if were are still going.  First job of the day out of the way.
 150 [22:53] <Etienne> They still talk at the ABC conference. What I have understood sounds good and committed to me.
 151 [22:53] <Etienne> They will publish something in February on the blog (transparence).
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 153 [22:55] <pnunnguest2630> I guess not... Have a good evening everyone.
 154 [22:56] <-- pnunn (user@119-17-137-218.771189.mel.static.aussiebb.net) hat das Netzwerk verlassen (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
 155 [23:00] <Etienne> ABC conference just finished now.
 156 [23:00] <FD> It was a good constructive and efficient meting
 157 [23:01] <FD> We are on our way to propose a new procedure for the ABC in the coming weeks.
 158 [23:01] <FD> The new procedure is a guidance both about what should be the content of the interview
 159 [23:02] <FD> and the way to accept or not the applicant after the interview completed
 160 [23:03] <FD> On point #1: what we should pay attention at during the interview, which items should we take care to collect
 161 [23:03] <FD> on point #2: how should we use further what we got on point #1, how to keep it, how to decide formally about our trust in the new comer
 162 [23:04] <FD> Great work from Bernhard.
 163 [23:04] <FD> Looks like CAcert was fun again to deal with for him!
 164 [23:04] <FD> :-)
 165 [23:05] <FD> Etienne, what's about planning an extraordinary committee meeting focusing on adopting the new CBC guidances somewhere in February ?
 166 [23:10] <Etienne> I don't really know what's going to happen between 13 and 28 February, where I'll be and what I'll be doing. That depends mainly on the local course of the pandemic. Whether I'm at home with the family or out alone with Corneille or something else. I thought New Year's Day, now I'd see more clearly, but it seems the longer the more unclear.
 167 [23:12] <FD> I understand. The IRC is not the right place to talk about actual situation on our private life. I wish you and your family to go through the current events without pain.
 168 [23:15] <FD> Good night everybody.
 169 [23:15] <FD> Good afternoon Brian.
 170 [23:15] <FD> A bientôt Etienne.
 171 [23:17] <Etienne> There is absolutely nothing private about it. In the variants described, I always assume that we remain healthy. But depending on that, we will be able to behave one way or another. What certainly won't work is going on a skiing holiday with the grandparents. There is snow, of course. And the cable cars are open at 60% of capacity (masks on! restau
 172 [23:17] <Etienne> rants closed!). But the rest, especially the development of the English virus in this country....
 173 [23:17] <Etienne> Good night FD.
 174 [23:18] <-- FD (f.dumas@31.179.160.58) hat #board-meeting verlassen (Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)
 175 [23:53] <-- bdmc (bdmc@75.182.213.101) hat das Netzwerk verlassen (Quit: leaving)