Committee Meeting 2013-12-22

The meeting will take place at 09:00 UTC in the IRC channel #board-meeting on the CAcert IRC network.

Committee Members: feel free to add a business within the acceptance period or your question to the board below. Others: add a question to the questions section.


  1. Minutes author prepares the minutes from the last meeting

  2. Minutes author prepares the action items. All action owners to update.

  3. Minutes author puts motion m2010xxxx.y to accept the minutes


  1. Preliminaries
    1. Chair opens the Committee Meeting
    2. Accept the minutes from the last meeting.

    3. Who is making minutes?
    4. Chair asks whether cacert-board-private maillist includes any items that need to be disclosed to Members.

    5. Chair asks whether cacert-board maillist includes any business items that aren't on the agenda yet.

    6. Chair introduces the URL of action items to the meeting, and asks for discussion.

  2. Businesses

    Acceptance of Businesses 48 Hours before beginning of Committee Meeting latest!

    1. Accept late business by Werner Dworak

    2. Create a subcommittee by Werner Dworak

    3. State OFT report by Michael Tänzer

    4. Move CAcert Inc. to another country by Alex-UK

    5. Business added by Your Name Comment: Replace "Business One" by Title of Business and add your Name

      • Additional Inputs Comment: Replace "Additional Inputs"by Description of Business, Description of Reason-Why/Purpose, Additional Comments, Additional Documents, Additional Links, if useful for other Committee Members to prepare for Committee Meeting.

    6. et cetera
  3. Question Time

    Questions from Community Members can be added until beginning of Committee Meeting! As well questions can be asked at "Question Time", without added Question here

    1. Question One added by Your Name Comment: Replace "Question One" by Your Question and add your Name

      • et cetera
  4. Closing
    1. Agree on date of the next Committee Meeting
    2. Chair closes the Committee Meeting


1 Preliminaries

1.1 Opening

Present: Alex, Ben, Michael, Werner. Dirk partially.

Meeting chaired by Werner.

1.2 Minutes from last meeting

Minuted accepted, Motion m20140111.1

1.3 Minutes taker

Minutes will be taken by Werner.

1.4 Disclosure of private communication

No conversations on board-private to disclose.

1.5 Potential agenda items on mailing list

No new agenda items identified on cacert-board.

1.6 Action items

None discussed

2 Business

2.1 Accept topic 2.1 as Late Business

It was accepted, Motion m20140111.2

2.2 Create a subcommittee

None of the additional Australian members showed up. So nothing essential could be done. Michael will contact Australian members again. David McIlwraith was regarded acceptable as a passive member too.

Then the discussion drifted to 2.4, so this was handled too here.

It was stated that passive members can be just that. They exist only on paper and never attend any meeting. But they can if they want.

In the first step in CCA and CPS as little as possible should be changed. Some regard the CCA as kind of terms and conditions. But finally it is a full contract. It is not quite clear if parts of the CCA can be changed unilaterally or if an explicit consent of all community members are required. But since a longer time a CCA rollout is planned, so everyone shall agree the CCA anyway if not done. Once concern could be that we might have a lot of assurers who are not bound into the new agreement so old assurances become a problem when we think about arbitration.

2.3 Submit OFT report

The report was submitted to OFT. No more news.

2.4 Move CAcert Inc. to another country

The internal legislation (arbitration) can stay as it is. There is not much legal interaction between CAcert and the outer world, so it is no important issue if new CAcert organisation is an a country of common law or civil law. And if there are any issues with CAcert there is secure-u as a buffer to keep everything running. Eva has a friend whos is German lawyer and another fried who is lawyer is NSW, so she will ask them what we have to regard. Eva stated that people have to accept the move and the CCA change wherever we move. If this proves true, most problems would be solved. If possible we should do the CCA rollout first, to sweep out all nominal members and other special cases. Then the move to the new CAcert organisation runs smoother.

Most discussion on that topic should be off board meeting in the board mailing ist or other suitable places, wher4e we have a broader discussion base.

3 Questions

No questions

4.1 Next Meeting

The next meeting was scheduled to 2014-01-12 09:00 UTC.



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