--- Log opened Sun Apr 10 12:39:18 2016
12:39 -!- Irssi: #sgm: Total of 28 nicks [4 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 24 normal]
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12:40 -!- iang [iang@78.32.232.233] has left #SGM []
12:43 < IanGrigg> Hi folks … could we all set up our Nicks in advance?  slash-Nick then full name
12:43 < IanGrigg> Could those with proxies also get going in advance of the meeting and get them ready for listing……..
12:45 < alex> as yesterday: doesnt work out for me :-/
12:46 < alex> what are you doing different than me? not even error message. just goes to null
12:46 -!- Keepnick: Nickstealer left [CAcert], got JanDittberner back
12:46 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> leaeve the #vote cnan
12:47 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> also board-meeting may block
12:47 < IanGrigg> Yes - you have to drop out of #SGM and #vote it seems - then change the nick - then add back in….
12:47 < EvaStoewe> only #vote
12:47 < EvaStoewe> the others are not moderated
12:48 < AlexanderBahlo> ?
12:48 < AlexanderBahlo> i may try it
12:48 < IanGrigg> How do we run the voting bot?  How do we do the voicing?  Is there someone who can handle this for us?
12:49 < EvaStoewe> nb can you help?
12:49 < EvaStoewe> felix: can you help
12:49 < alex-uk[IanAlastairRobertson]> .
12:49 < AlexanderBahlo> !
12:49 < AlexanderBahlo> thanks
12:51 < JanDittberner> felix is Op in the #vote channel, the bot is still running but I do not know how to use it ... Phillip should know but is not here yet AFAICS
12:52 < IanGrigg> Does anyone know the votebot command, and can run the votebot?
12:52 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> does Benny know?
12:52 < IanGrigg> yes I just phone him, no response.
12:54 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> I found this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VoteBot
12:54 < ChristianRecktenwald> https://github.com/CAcertOrg/cacert-votebot
12:55 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> but the commands have do be done from an operator i believe
12:55 < EvaStoewe> dirk should be here and know the commands, soon
12:55 < JanDittberner> the bot is still running but we need an Op to run the commands
12:55 < EvaStoewe> felix_: are you there?
12:57 < ChristianRecktenwald> Is some server op to shut down #vote so it could be recreated?
12:58 < EvaStoewe> in #vote
13:01 < IanGrigg> From yesterday we seem to have @GeroTreuner and myself who were voted onto the committee?
13:02 < IanGrigg> Before we can formally open the meeting we need to establish a chair.
13:02 < dirk_on_server> and me ...
13:02 < AlexanderBahlo> dirk_on_server 
13:02 <@VoteBot> New Vote: JanDittberner has started a vote on "Test vote"
13:02 <@VoteBot> Please cast your vote in #vote
13:02 < IanGrigg> ok - but can you change your nym?
13:03 < EvaStoewe> thank you JanDittberner 
13:03 < IanGrigg> Aha - a testvote. Let’s do that!
13:03 < AlexanderBahlo> no, only voiced members can cast a vote
13:03 < EvaStoewe> we do not have voice
13:03 < dirk_on_server> correct ... have some issues to update my name on this machine ... and to connect from the "normal" machine ...
13:03 < EvaStoewe> so cannot do
13:03 < GeroTreuner> few people have voice in #vote
13:03 < dirk_on_server> ... will fix i within some minutes ...
13:03 < EvaStoewe> dirk_on_server: leave #vote change nick and join
13:04 < IanGrigg> ah Vote is moderated.
13:04 < EvaStoewe> if we need vote we can try to set it up somewhere else
13:04 < EvaStoewe> but maybe we do not need to vote?
13:04 < ChristianRecktenwald>     /LOG OPEN -autoopen -targets #SGM /tmp/irclog-%Y-%m-%d-sgm
13:04 <@VoteBot> Voting on Test vote will end in 30 seconds.
13:04 < EvaStoewe> I propose that the three present board members select an acting president and that person is chair for this meeting
13:04 <@VoteBot> Voting on Test vote has closed.
13:04 <@VoteBot> Results: for Test vote:
13:04 <@VoteBot> AYE: 0
13:04 <@VoteBot> NAYE: 0
13:04 < LambertHofstra> second
13:04 <@VoteBot> ABSTAIN: 0
13:05 < GuillaumrRomagny> second
13:05 < BerndJantzen>  Second
13:05 < IanAlastairRobertson> aye
13:06 < GeroTreuner> So I propose Dirk as chair person.
13:06 < IanGrigg> I am fine with that.
13:06 < GuillaumrRomagny> second
13:06 < IanAlastairRobertson> @Ian - can you ask for objections on the first motion please
13:06 < dirk_on_server> nope ...
13:07 < IanGrigg> Sure - any objections to Dirk - ? Oh from Dirk.
13:07 < dirk_on_server> have some technical issues here ...
13:07 < EvaStoewe> I propose Ian
13:07 < IanGrigg> OK, that is fine - are there any objections from me?
13:07 < AlexanderBahlo> :)
13:07 < IanAlastairRobertson> from you or for you
13:07 < GeroTreuner> no objections
13:07 < IanGrigg> for me, yes sorry
13:08 < IanGrigg> against me, with me, pick your verb :)
13:08 < ChristianRecktenwald> no objections
13:08 < GuillaumrRomagny> accepted
13:08 < IanGrigg> ok - so proceeding for the moment as we are at a show of hands vote at this stage.
13:08 < IanGrigg> Now, I open the meeting at 12:08.
13:08 < IanGrigg> Please all set your nicks to full name with /nick FIrstLast.
13:09 < IanGrigg> Is anyone available to take minutes?
13:09 < EvaStoewe> I volunteer
13:09 < IanGrigg> Thank you!
13:09 < IanGrigg> Now, we have an open question before us.
13:09 < MarioLipinski> 12:08 in which time zone?
13:09 < IanGrigg> Good point - my clock - 13:08 UTC is that correct?
13:10 < EvaStoewe> I'll figure that in the minutes @MarioLipinski 
13:10 < IanGrigg> yeah please….
13:10 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> must be 11:10 UTC
13:10 < IanGrigg> thanks :)
13:10 < IanGrigg> Open question - does anyone believe there are motions to be established ?
13:10 < IanAlastairRobertson> Can I highlight that this meeting is under the oversight of an arbitration ruling please
13:10 < EvaStoewe> I dont
13:10 < BerndJantzen> no
13:11 < WernerDworak> By, the way, if I see it right, yesterday not all candidates did confirm their nomination and none of the board member did accept his election. Therefore I regard the present board not as valid
13:11 < IanGrigg> As far as I know, yesterday’s motions covered all the business required, and we may introduce no new business.
13:11 < GuillaumrRomagny> nope
13:11 < LambertHofstra> I think all motions were covered yesterday
13:11 < EvaStoewe> agree IanGrigg 
13:11 < BrianMcCullough> Yesterday, I asked about the missing parts of the Agenda, particularly the Time and Date.  Is that a moot point?
13:11 < IanGrigg> @WernerDworak your point is acknowledged but for the time being we work on.
13:11 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> whats about the remark of werner?
13:12 < BennyBaumann> second
13:12 < EvaStoewe> BrianMcCullough: what missing parts of the agenda? the agenda was fixed by arbitration
13:12 < GeroTreuner> I think that we have no business, too
13:12 < EvaStoewe> arbitrator is LambertHofstra he can be asked here :)
13:12 < BrianMcCullough> In the top paragraph, under "Meeting" there are placeholders for Time and Date.
13:13 < BrianMcCullough> There are other placeholders, too.
13:13 < IanGrigg> Can you identify the missing parts please.
13:13 < EvaStoewe> the wiki is not the agenda only shows the agenda
13:13 < EvaStoewe> agenda was in mails
13:13 < IanAlastairRobertson> These could not have been set at the time of the required edit
13:13 < BrianMcCullough> OK, thank you.
13:13 < EvaStoewe> which was the fixed reference in the invitation
13:13 < IanGrigg> The agenda was shown as being revision 13 of the original page.
13:13 < EvaStoewe> I did review that part because of another arbitration caes
13:14 < EvaStoewe> and later the agenda was fixed by ruling by LambertHofstra and it is binding on us
13:14 < GuillaumrRomagny> @Eva, yes
13:14 < EvaStoewe> so we just have to accept it :)
13:15 < BrianMcCullough> Maybe my browser did not work correctly, but I used the link given in the Title, here, and got an Agenda with placeholders.
13:15 < IanGrigg> Yes there is an issue with the wiki pages - they ahve been moved around and we are not clear on the pages.
13:15 < BrianMcCullough> However, if nobody else has an issue, I don't, either.
13:16 < IanGrigg> So, I ask again - is there any substantive motion that we can vote on in today’s meeting?
13:16 < ChristianRecktenwald> So where is a prepresentation of our agenda for today ?
13:16 < IanGrigg> If so, can that be proposed.
13:16 < EvaStoewe> BrianMcCullough: LambertHofstra is the ruling arbitrator who fixed the agenda for this meeting and he says we have no business to do, so this is probably fixing the business questoin
13:16 < EvaStoewe> we have to accept his ruling
13:17 < EvaStoewe> https://wiki.cacert.org/SGM/Next
13:17 < EvaStoewe> it was updated
13:17 < EvaStoewe> not by me but I saw some relevant editing
13:17 < GeroTreuner> Link should be https://wiki.cacert.org/SGM/20160409?action=recall&rev=13
13:18 < LambertHofstra> Both SGM 's had the same topics / agenda , and you cannot revote on the same topics without informing all members so there are no topics left IMHO
13:18 < IanGrigg> OK, so in absence of that there is no need to calculate the full proxies list, and we can accept it as on the /Next list.
13:18 < GeroTreuner> I identified it as the page subject to the arbitration ruling where it is located after moving.
13:18 < EvaStoewe> as we have no op in this channel who is responding the topic cannot be fixed
13:18 < GuillaumrRomagny> so pooint 1 and point 4 to call
13:19 < EvaStoewe> no 4 is not available
13:19 < EvaStoewe> blocked by the "no" on 3
13:19 < IanGrigg> Next - the members present are identified by their appearance in the channel here.  Can everyone who has not spoken as yet please speak to make themselves available in the minutes.
13:19 < BennyBaumann> IMHO there are differences between the proxies of yesterday and tomorrow ...
13:19 < EvaStoewe> everybody please write "*"
13:19 < BennyBaumann> s/tomorrow/today/
13:19 < dirk_on_server> being now online as DirkAstrath ... ;-)
13:20 < EvaStoewe> to be identified as being present for this meeting (with all proxies) in the minutes
13:20 < BrianMcCullough> *
13:20 < GuillaumrRomagny> @BennyB yesterday and today 
13:20 < EvaStoewe> BennyBaumann: I am aware of that
13:20 < BennyBaumann> GuillaumrRomagny: Already corrected ...
13:20 < EvaStoewe> for reference of the proxies there is a table of marcus attached to yesterdays meeting
13:20 < IanGrigg> @BennyBaumann  there may well be differences, but as we have no substantive motion, there is no need to count them.
13:20 < GuillaumrRomagny> @BennyB yes I was too late, sorry
13:20 < EvaStoewe> *
13:20 < LambertHofstra> *
13:20 < ChristianRecktenwald> *
13:20 < dirk_on_server> *
13:20 < GuillaumrRomagny> *
13:20 < IanAlastairRobertson> *
13:21 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> *
13:21 < BerndJantzen> I will try to follow as best as possible, but with interruptions as I'm not at home.
13:21 < IanGrigg> *
13:21 < WernerDworak> *
13:21 < DirkAstrath> being now online as DirkAstrath ... ;-)
13:21 < DirkAstrath> *
13:21 < BennyBaumann> IanGrigg: if we skip those formalities of identifying proxies we are open for dispute ...
13:21 < BennyBaumann> *
13:21 < GeroTreuner> *
13:21 < IanGrigg> @BennyBaumann I understand your point - we move on.
13:22 < EvaStoewe> any more stars?
13:22 < IanGrigg> Next point of business - Point 1 - are there any new members to accept?  I believe not?
13:22 < EvaStoewe> I am not aware of a new member
13:22 < GuillaumrRomagny> nope
13:22 < IanGrigg> Well, even that was considered as business yesterday and falls under the ruling.
13:22 < IanGrigg> ok.  Next business is point 2, and this is all covered yesterday.
13:22 < IanAlastairRobertson> I am not aware of any - there may be some in secretaies mail
13:23 < BennyBaumann> I object to want to see the ID for dirk_on_server being a real person :P
13:23 < IanGrigg> Finaly is points 3, and 4, also covered yesterday.
13:23 < IanGrigg> Objection noted.  As there is no motion to be put, the point is moot.
13:23 < EvaStoewe> I can verify that dirk_on_server answered to a question I asked him via phone
13:23 < IanGrigg> We will allow the minutes writer to decide whether Dirk made it to the meeting or not :)
13:24 < DirkAstrath> @BennyBaumann: I'm now here (and only here) ... dirk_on_server is my logging machine ...
13:24 < EvaStoewe> so I belive he is a person CARS
13:24 < IanGrigg> So, with no further business that we are required to cover, I believe the meeting can be closed.
13:24 -!- mode/#sgm [+o MarioLipinski] by Anonymous126
13:24 < DirkAstrath> (only if i'm not able to connect using my normal account i write from dirk_on_server )
13:24 < IanGrigg> Does anyone object, and specifically have business that has to be covered?
13:24 < BennyBaumann> DirkAstrath: I did not object DirkAstrath is a person; I only objected dirk_on_server is ;-)
13:24 -!- mode/#sgm [+o IanGrigg] by MarioLipinski
13:24 <@IanGrigg> Ah, you are kinder than I :)
13:25 < DirkAstrath> as i explained: it's a logging machine ;-)
13:25 < GuillaumrRomagny> @BennyB :)
13:25 < LambertHofstra> @IanGrigg no objection from me
13:25 < BrianMcCullough> I move to adjourn.
13:25 < GuillaumrRomagny> seconded
13:25 < IanAlastairRobertson> No  to adjourn - implies matters not covered
13:25 < BennyBaumann> aye
13:26 < IanAlastairRobertson> meeting should be closed
13:26 < GeroTreuner> second
13:26 < EvaStoewe> I move to close meeting
13:26 <@IanGrigg> Meetign should be closed, and I recognise that @BrianMcCullough meant that.
13:26 < GuillaumrRomagny> I move we close 
13:26 < JanDittberner> second
13:26 < GuillaumrRomagny> seconded
13:26 < LambertHofstra> second to closing the meeting
13:26 <@IanGrigg> thank you, I therefore declare the meeting closed.
13:26 < IanAlastairRobertson> aye to close
13:26 < ChristianRecktenwald> close
13:26 < AlexanderBahlo> thank you
13:26 <@IanGrigg> 11:26 UTC
13:26 < GuillaumrRomagny> (aye to close)
13:26 < BennyBaumann> LambertHofstra: It wasn't formally opened correct.
13:26 <@IanGrigg> Thank you all for your attendance and for using up valuable northern sunny hours
13:27 < EvaStoewe> thank you ian
13:28  * GuillaumrRomagny relieved
13:28 < Q2000> Eva, do you need a log?
13:28 < GuillaumrRomagny> @Iang Thanks Chairman
13:28 -!- GeroTreuner [dops@dops.innocircle.com] has left #SGM []
13:28 < GuillaumrRomagny> @PhilippDunkel Welcome
13:28 < IanAlastairRobertson> Thanks elected chair
13:29 < JanDittberner> I'll attach the log to the wiki page
13:29 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> befor all leave
13:29 < IanAlastairRobertson> ,
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13:29 < IanAlastairRobertson> .
13:29 < WernerDworak> By, the way, if I see it right, yesterday not all candidates did confirm their nomination and none of the board member did accept his election. Therefore I regard the present board not as valid
13:29 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> how can be clarified for next time to have operators in the channels
13:29 < BennyBaumann> IanAlastairRobertson: That Brainfuck source code does not compile ;-)
13:30 <@MarioLipinski> regarding WernerDworaks comment: Can any board member send an email to cacert-members@lists that he accepts his nomination?
13:30 < BennyBaumann> It has to be confirmed at the meeting IMHO
13:30 <@MarioLipinski>  /election
13:31 < Q2000> And let us know when the board officially starts?
13:31 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> in the meeting that is filed to the OTF
13:31 < Karl-HeinzGoedderz> ?
13:31 < IanAlastairRobertson> @benny - sorry - are you aware that I am visually impaired
13:32 < Q2000> @BennyBauman a chair was selected from the people that were selected as board members, might not yet be the official board