1 bdmc
   2 Greetings Etienne and Michael. 
   3 20:58:27
   4 Etienne
   5 Hello Brian! 
   6 20:58:31
   7 → KimNilsson est entré 
   8 20:58:40
   9 Etienne
  10 Hello Kim! 
  11 20:58:48
  12 bdmc
  13 I see that Dirk may or may not be here. 
  14 20:58:48
  15 Etienne
  16 Hello Michael! 
  17 20:59:00
  18 bdmc
  19 I don't see Kim yet. 
  20 20:59:57
  21 KimNilsson
  22 yo yo yo 
  23 21:00:05
  24 Etienne
  25 Michael is absent for the moment. 
  26 21:00:06
  27 bdmc
  28 Now I do! 
  29 21:00:20
  30 Welcome all. 
  31 21:00:36
  32 Until we have more than three of us, I think that we should delay the start. 
  33 21:01:59
  34 Etienne
  35 From a formal point of view, we are able to make a decision. 
  36 21:03:28
  37 egal
  38 the decision to start? ;-) 
  39 21:03:37
  40 Etienne
  41 @KimNilsson: Did the background check work? I was offline for three days. It didn't make sense to answer retroactively. 
  42 21:03:40
  43 bdmc
  44 B-) 
  45 21:04:14
  46 I'll wait until XX:05 and then go. 
  47 21:04:39
  48 egal
  49 time to make a "small" cup of tea ... ;-) 
  50 21:04:52
  51 Etienne
  52 https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2022-10-06 
  53 21:05:08
  54 https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2022-09-01#Minutes 
  55 21:05:29
  56 KimNilsson
  57 Etienne: no, since neither you nor Dirk were presesnt, we couldn't do it. Ted will reach out again to plan another session. 
  58 21:06:00
  59 bdmc
  60 Well, the time has come, as the Walrus said..... 
  61 21:06:14
  62 I hereby call this meeting of the Board of CAcert to order. 
  63 21:06:43
  64 Etienne
  65 Agend: first link; Minutes: second link (given at xx:05) 
  66 21:06:52
  67 bdmc
  68 Thank you. 
  69 21:07:16
  70 Yes, I called it to order at XX:05, didn't I? 
  71 21:07:43
  72 OK, anything in either the Board or Board Private mailing lists that should be brought forard? 
  73 21:07:46
  74 KimNilsson
  75 Live minutes (soon with some content). https://nextcloud.cacert.org/apps/files/?dir=/CAcert%20board/CAcert%20-%20Committee%20meetings&openf... 
  76 21:08:59
  77 bdmc
  78 Nothing heard.   Would someone like to discuss anything in last month's minutes? 
  79 21:09:18
  80 Otherwise, I will ask for a motion to accept them. 
  81 21:09:19
  82 Etienne
  83 I move to accept the minutes of the committee meeting of 1st of September 2022. 
  84 21:10:23
  85 KimNilsson
  86 Seconded 
  87 21:10:27
  88 Etienne
  89 aye 
  90 21:10:32
  91 bdmc
  92 Aye 
  93 21:10:57
  94 ( I will record that Kim voted Aye, too. ) 
  95 21:11:12
  96 Etienne
  97 Recorded at the motion system. 
  98 21:11:24
  99 bdmc
 100 ( I know, picky, but it is how I inherited the procedure. ) 
 101 21:11:54
 102 KimNilsson
 103 Goodie 
 104 21:12:05
 105 Etienne
 106 bdmc: you may skip quick decisions, as there are none. 
 107 21:12:14
 108 bdmc
 109 As I suspected. 
 110 21:12:51
 111 I see that Items under 2.2 are also to be skipped. 
 112 21:12:59
 113 Etienne
 114 :-( 
 115 21:13:13
 116 bdmc
 117 Moving on. 
 118 21:13:48
 119 Item 2.3.1 -- New ERP  -- Any news? 
 120 21:14:25
 121 Item 2.3.2 -- Base contract. -- Etienne, any news? 
 122 21:14:43
 123 Etienne
 124 I am in contact with the treasurer and the bank as well. The EUR IBAN is expectet for the next week. 
 125 21:14:57
 126 KimNilsson
 127 2.3.1 ERP - Both Michael and FD absent, and they are the ones involved. 
 128 21:14:58
 129 bdmc
 130 Item 2.3.3 -- EUR Account -- Etienne, News? 
 131 21:15:30
 132 Etienne
 133 I am in contact with the bank as well. The EUR IBAN is expectet for the next week. 
 134 21:15:48
 135 bdmc
 136 So you are answering both 2.3.2 and 2.3.3.  OK 
 137 21:15:53
 138 Etienne
 139 :-) 
 140 21:16:24
 141 KimNilsson
 142 lovel the efficiency 
 143 21:16:33
 144 Etienne
 145 Michael had hoped to prepare the draft statements for the board to approve 
 146 21:16:33
 147 before the AGM.  That can't happen easily because I didn't bring the right 
 148 21:16:33
 149 credentials with my laptop, and the VNC access to what I need is too slow. 
 150 21:16:33
 151 I will get this finished on the weekend after I return to Ottawa. 
 152 21:17:01
 153 (I=he) 
 154 21:17:14
 155 bdmc
 156 Item 2.4 -- I am still waiting for Jan.  He wanted to do some work on the infrastructure before I continued.  I will be working with him to expedite this matter. 
 157 21:17:27
 158 ( Thank you, Etienne ) 
 159 21:18:02
 160 egal
 161 do you know, which work on infra should be done? 
 162 21:18:04
 163 bdmc
 164 Item 2.5 -- Shutdown of SecureU and transfer to CAcert -- Any news? 
 165 21:18:27
 166 egal: This is development side "stuff." 
 167 21:18:46
 168 Etienne
 169 I got an e-mail from BIT that my c.o. e-mail address was added in their system as a contact. 
 170 21:18:49
 171 egal
 172 okay ... i'll ping jandd for details ... ;-) 
 173 21:18:57
 174 Etienne
 175 Thank you egal 
 176 21:19:05
 177 bdmc
 178 egal: thank you, too. 
 179 21:19:48
 180 Item 2.5???? 
 181 21:19:50
 182 egal
 183 regarding secure-u ... had way to much business and personal work in the last weeks, so i'm unaware of a new status ... ;( 
 184 21:19:57
 185 bdmc
 186 OK 
 187 21:20:27
 188 Item 2.6 -- Overall Background Checks -- News? 
 189 21:20:55
 190 Etienne
 191 Ted, Kim and me will do another try in october. 
 192 21:21:05
 193 KimNilsson
 194 Mine didn't happen. I have no info about the rest. 
 195 21:22:08
 196 bdmc
 197 It appears that two of them are waiting on a date, the other one is waiting for final results. 
 198 21:22:42
 199 KimNilsson
 200 ok 
 201 21:22:50
 202 bdmc
 203 Item 2.7 -- LCA -- Etienne, do you know the date of this event on the other side of the world? 
 204 21:24:06
 205 KimNilsson
 206 LCA != Lutheran Church of Australia, I'm assuming... 
 207 21:24:19
 208 bdmc
 209 Not exactly.   B-) 
 210 21:24:40
 211 KimNilsson
 212 Nor "Life Cycle Assessment and Urban Sustainability ICLCAUS" 
 213 21:25:04
 214 bdmc
 215 That sounds like an interesting thing. 
 216 21:25:07
 217 Etienne
 218 I am sorry, the date was not announced yet. 
 219 21:25:13
 220 bdmc
 221 Thanks. 
 222 21:25:21
 223 Etienne
 224 https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-members/2022-09/msg00000.html 
 225 21:26:01
 226 bdmc
 227 Item 2.8 -- Remote Assurance -- I have not yet heard anything more.  Do you know more, egal? 
 228 21:27:22
 229 egal
 230 currently not ... ;-( 
 231 21:27:47
 232 bdmc
 233 Good enough.  We will wait another month to report. 
 234 21:27:48
 235 Etienne
 236 It would be great if you two could start this with Eva mis by 3 November. Then we would have good news at the last session of the legislature and a great announcement on 12 November (AGM). 
 237 21:27:55
 238 egal
 239 (maybe you ping her early next week again ... ;-) ) 
 240 21:28:07
 241 bdmc
 242 Will do.  Not sooner? 
 243 21:28:56
 244 Item 2.9 -- AGM 
 245 21:29:06
 246 Etienne, anything that you want us to know? 
 247 21:29:21
 248 Etienne
 249 https://wiki.cacert.org/AGM/Next 
 250 21:29:58
 251 All you have to know i on the bottom o f the page: members get iinfo, teams got two infos for team reports. 
 252 21:30:00
 253 bdmc
 254 or discuss. 
 255 21:30:24
 256 Oh, you want us to actually read, do you? 
 257 21:30:34
 258 Etienne
 259 we too have to write our reports. 
 260 21:30:48
 261 bdmc
 262 Yes, I plan to be ready sometime before the meeting is over.   B-) 
 263 21:31:10
 264 Etienne
 265 No, no need to read the page, just to be ready ;-) 
 266 21:32:08
 267 But if we are to fast to finish this meeting, we could have a look to our goals 21/22. 
 268 21:32:24
 269 bdmc
 270 Well, that seems to finish the the Business section of the meeting. 
 271 21:32:46
 272 We could skip on down to that section, or ask for Questions. 
 273 21:33:12
 274 I have never heard of that group, Etienne.  Yes, I saw your message, but got distracted by work. 
 275 21:33:40
 276 egal
 277 regarding AGM ... when will the info be sent to member regarding payment/... ? 
 278 21:34:28
 279 Etienne
 280 egal: in the next days. 
 281 21:35:07
 282 bdmc: codetriage: Recently, Mr Schneemann wrote to me. He has a site codetriage.org where volunteers are enrolled and every week they get a mini task emailed to them from open source projects to help out a little. 
 283 21:35:17
 284 egal
 285 okay ... don't forget to give members time for ordinary/special resultions/nominations 
 286 21:35:59
 287 KimNilsson
 288 CodeTriage sounds like a cool idea, for code that can be published. Maybe snippets, if core bits can't be public. 
 289 21:36:10
 290 bdmc
 291 Etienne:  Hmmm.  Interesting.  That is certainly something that Ted, Jandd and Egal will be interested in, as well, perhaps, as others. 
 292 21:37:23
 293 bdmc
 294 KimNilsson: Also a good point.  There are certainly sections of our code that are probably "trade secrets!" 
 295 21:38:43
 296 egal
 297 our code is public (except passwords/keys/... ;-) ) 
 298 21:39:13
 299 bdmc
 300 B-)   I know.  Public and ancient. 
 301 21:39:28
 302 egal
 303 so nothing to hide ... but ... we need more persons checking if the work we do/did is done correctly ... ;-) 
 304 21:39:47
 305 bdmc
 306 Yes, we were talking yesterday, and volunteered Kim to do that. 
 307 21:39:49
 308 egal
 309 (yep ... i'm talking about reviews/software-assessment ... not coding itself) 
 310 21:40:40
 311 bdmc
 312 I wonder whether CodeTriage.org's people would be up to that.  It certainly seems like something that they could do. 
 313 21:41:02
 314 However, would the BGC get in the way of that? 
 315 21:42:14
 316 KimNilsson
 317 I always said I can help test things. I can't read/understand complex code, but when testing I can at least verify if code is doing the things you say it should. 
 318 21:42:43
 319 Etienne
 320 Sorry, it is not .org, it is codetriage.com 
 321 21:43:15
 322 KimNilsson
 323 Perhaps that depends on which code it is? Asking as I don't know, but perhaps super-critical code still _also_ needs to be reviewed by a BGC'd person? 
 324 21:43:30
 325 bdmc
 326 KimNilsson: That and some of Dirk's software assessments such as comparing two certificate fingerprints would be easy for you to do. 
 327 21:43:30
 328 KimNilsson
 329 Etienne: yup, saw when I googled the address. 
 330 21:43:38
 331 exactly 
 332 21:45:11
 333 bdmc
 334 OK, let's look at Etienne's ( and ours ) list of "Things to Remember."   Section 3.4. 
 335 21:45:37
 336 Too bad that some of our missing members aren't here, particularly Frederic. 
 337 21:45:59
 338 Etienne
 339 push OrgA: My task for 22/23 to push Guy to push it ;-) 
 340 21:46:06
 341 bdmc
 342 B-) 
 343 21:46:26
 344 egal
 345 as i said before at some time: everybody could do a review of changes ... but i (as software teamlead or critical teamlead) can ask for a more qualified one for more complex code changes ... ;-) 
 346 21:46:36
 347 Etienne
 348 expand PR: I help Alex until we find a new or a second PR officer 
 349 21:46:45
 350 KimNilsson
 351 egal: spot on 
 352 21:46:53
 353 Etienne
 354 support secureU: obsolete 
 355 21:46:57
 356 bdmc
 357 The next two items are mostly done. 
 358 21:47:20
 359 Certificate Creation is a development project, isn't it? 
 360 21:48:04
 361 It would appear to be too big for a "mini task" for CodeTriage, but it might be worth examining. 
 362 21:48:09
 363 Etienne
 364 probably. The idea: easy click click as before in the browser. 
 365 21:48:31
 366 As easy as your grandma can do it in 4 minutes. 
 367 21:48:35
 368 bdmc
 369 Needs some a Technical Design before the Developers start coding. 
 370 21:48:45
 371 Etienne
 372 excactly 
 373 21:49:06
 374 bdmc
 375 Sure, we can wave our hands and say "here is what will happen," but that is not enough. 
 376 21:50:05
 377 Can we ask Ted if any of us could help, or is he too busy with other things? 
 378 21:50:46
 379 Etienne
 380 I will write a non-technical concept that technicians can transform in a technical one 
 381 21:51:10
 382 bdmc
 383 That would be a good start, thank you. 
 384 21:51:21
 385 Etienne
 386 remote assurance: probably one of the big things in 22/23. 
 387 21:51:36
 388 KimNilsson
 389 bdmc: I'm fairly sure Jan also had some ideas on certificate creation. 
 390 21:51:48
 391 bdmc
 392 egal: can you say anything about the replacement CSR software? 
 393 21:52:02
 394 egal
 395 nope ... only regarding ocsp ... ;-) 
 396 21:52:09
 397 bdmc
 398 KimNilsson: I would be surprised if he didn't. 
 399 21:52:28
 400 egal: thanks. 
 401 21:52:45
 402 KimNilsson
 403 bdmc: hehe, he even has a test version available according to the bug 
 404 21:53:03
 405 https://bugs.cacert.org/view.php?id=1417#c6131 
 406 21:53:22
 407 bdmc
 408 Etienne: I agree -- however, I see that tied to the "easy certificate creation" project. 
 409 21:53:56
 410 KimNilsson
 411 Agree, hard to get people assured if they can't get a cert 
 412 21:54:03
 413 bdmc
 414 ( Group: I suspect that we could tie this up in around an hour. ) 
 415 21:54:49
 416 Etienne
 417 Kim: thank you for the link. There I see another goal: PHP7. 
 418 21:55:20
 419 bdmc
 420 Or perhaps PHP 8. 
 421 21:55:26
 422 Now. 
 423 21:55:29
 424 egal
 425 php7 requires a lot of code changes, which need to be reviewed ... ;-( 
 426 21:55:52
 427 (and we didn't even get the mysqli-changes reviewed ... ;-( 
 428 21:55:52
 429 bdmc
 430 Some versions of PHP 7 are relatively easy, but as we advance.... 
 431 21:55:59
 432 Etienne
 433 bdmc: I'll take a look at it and then ask my grandmother. 
 434 21:56:08
 435 bdmc
 436 B-) 
 437 21:56:55
 438 ( I was talking about this meeting, not the project. ) 
 439 21:57:30
 440 egal
 441 finished with this part? ... may i give some news from critical team? ;-) 
 442 21:57:41
 443 bdmc
 444 Absolutely. 
 445 21:58:11
 446 KimNilsson
 447 (I'm just going to insert this, so I don't forget.) A regular discussion during our Wednesday meetings have been to make cacert.com/net easier to access (meaning not require a CAcert root installed pre-visiting). It has been viewed by all involved as a good idea. Keeping cacert.org the only host requiring cacert root. 
 448 21:58:47
 449 Etienne
 450 +1 
 451 21:59:14
 452 bdmc
 453 egal: After your news, do you want a motion to do that, or is it a larger project, or .... 
 454 21:59:45
 455 egal
 456 if cacert.com/net should be used somehow static, it can be done on an existing container ... just ping jandd ... 
 457 22:00:25
 458 bdmc
 459 I guess that we should discuss what it is that we want those web sites to show. 
 460 22:00:39
 461 egal
 462 if there should be some dynamic content cacert.com/net, we need an additional lxc-container (and obviously the decision regarding the software) 
 463 22:00:59
 464 ... but then ping jandd, too ... ;-) 
 465 22:00:59
 466 KimNilsson
 467 com/net having general content, public marketing, stuff you want to know _before_ becoming a member and signing up - with org having member specific content 
 468 22:01:35
 469 bdmc
 470 Which sounds like a static page or two. 
 471 22:02:28
 472 KimNilsson: Would you like to be responsible for drafting that content?  Perhaps show it to us next month? 
 473 22:03:36
 474 KimNilsson
 475 bdmc: Alright, taking that on. 
 476 22:04:36
 477 Noted in the minuts. 
 478 22:04:40
 479 bdmc
 480 Etienne: Please add that to next month's Agenda. 
 481 22:05:01
 482 Etienne
 483 yes 
 484 22:05:08
 485 bdmc
 486 egal: We are still eagerly waiting for Critical Team's news. 
 487 22:05:50
 488 egal
 489 okay ... we had some issues about expired certificates yesterday on OCSP-server ... ;-( 
 490 22:06:17
 491 bdmc
 492 But only one of the three, correct? 
 493 22:06:37
 494 egal
 495 ... therefore i moved ocsp.cacert.org to new ocsp-server for ipv4 yesterday during the day ... 
 496 22:07:04
 497 within in the next days ipv6 will follow .. 
 498 22:07:40
 499 ... as this is the last active service running on sun3, i could power of sun3 in some days ... 
 500 22:07:55
 501 (if no issues come up during the next days ... ;-) ) 
 502 22:08:05
 503 bdmc
 504 And save a LOT on our power bill.  B-) 
 505 22:09:04
 506 egal
 507 yep ... during the next visit (either planned in 2 weeks or in 5 weeks) i could then remove the machine (as well as the old switch) from the rack 
 508 22:09:54
 509 bdmc
 510 Well, unless anybody else has something to bring to us, any more questions, I think that we could finish this meeting. 
 511 22:10:19
 512 egal
 513 nothing more from my site ... ;-) 
 514 22:10:21
 515 Etienne
 516 Agree on date of the next Committee Meeting: 3. Nov. 2022  18:00 UTC 
 517 22:10:37
 518 do not forget 12 nov 2022 AGM 
 519 22:10:50
 520 following meeting dates: maybe 1. Dez. 2022, maybe 5. Jan., maybe 2. Feb. 2023 
 521 22:11:12
 522 bdmc
 523 Yes, we have one more meeting before the AGM. 
 524 22:11:22
 525 egal
 526 november 12 ? didn't we agree on november 5? 
 527 22:11:45
 528 KimNilsson
 529 nope 12th 
 530 22:11:48
 531 Etienne
 532 I hope we can then close some chapters (as IBAN) and open some new ones (as remote assurance) 
 533 22:12:12
 534 https://wiki.cacert.org/AGM/Next 
 535 22:12:13
 536 egal
 537 (okay ... have adjust my memory to 12th ... ;-) ) 
 538 22:12:27
 539 Etienne
 540 20:00 UTC 
 541 22:12:35
 542 KimNilsson
 543 yes, late meeting 
 544 22:12:37
 545 Etienne
 546 (normal time) 
 547 22:13:03
 548 KimNilsson
 549 but, it's after DST ends, so sameas this really? 
 550 22:13:28
 551 even if our bodies may not agree 
 552 22:13:29
 553 egal
 554 don't forget the daylight-saving-change at end of october ... and the adjustments regarding UTC in europe ... 
 555 22:13:38
 556 ... and maybe other parts of the world ... ;-) 
 557 22:13:39
 558 Etienne
 559 Kim: 20 UTC normal time is as today 19 UTC DST 
 560 22:14:00
 561 KimNilsson
 562 Etienne: yeah, what I thought 
 563 22:14:00
 564 Etienne
 565 21 central european (summer/normal) time 
 566 22:14:22
 567 KimNilsson
 568 egal: they still haven't finalised when they are going to sop messing with the time, are they? 
 569 22:14:27
 570 stop 
 571 22:14:35
 572 egal
 573 19 UTC = 21:00 in summer and 20:00 in winter 
 574 22:16:01
 575 KimNilsson
 576 bdmc: I clocked the end as 20:15 UTC in the minutes -good, right? 
 577 22:16:25
 578 As we talked right over your actual call for the end a while ago :-) 
 579 22:18:00
 580 bdmc
 581 Well, if that is done, I will call this meeting finished and closed.  See you all next month. 
 582 22:18:28
 583 KimNilsson: Yes, I was saying that we were near to the end, not that we were at the end. 
 584 22:18:35
 585 Yes, your time is good. 
 586 22:18:36
 587 egal
 588 or during wednesday calls ... ;-) 
 589 22:18:51
 590 bdmc
 591 egal: Always ( almost ) those. 
 592 22:19:34
 593 Etienne
 594 Thank you and good bye. egal:jitsi 
 595 22:19:53
 596 KimNilsson
 597 great, bye 
 598 22:37:39
 599 → FD est entré 
 600 22:55:19
 601 ← FD est parti du salon  
 602 23:14:59
 603 ← bdmc a quitté (Quit: leaving)