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   6 19:59:44
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   8 Welcome to CAcert, Etienne! Here on CAcert, we provide services to enable the registration of nicknames and channels! For details, type /msg NickServ help and /msg ChanServ help. 
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  10 → Etienne est entré 
  11 19:59:56
  12 ⓘ sat|away s'appelle désormais sat 
  13 20:00:07
  14 sat
  15 Good morning and good evening! 
  16 20:00:16
  17 bdmc
  18 Etienne:  I like your "address :: 0000@localhost" ! 
  19 20:00:36
  20 Etienne
  21 ??? 
  22 20:00:44
  23 Hello! 
  24 20:01:48
  25 KimNilsson
  26 Hello 
  27 20:01:57
  28 bdmc
  29 According to my calendar, the time has come, correct? 
  30 20:02:17
  31 sat
  32 yes 
  33 20:02:31
  34 bdmc
  35 Etienne: Would you please post the Agenda URL for the few of us that are here? 
  36 20:02:56
  37 sat
  38 I have another meeting in parallel - so if I am not responding you know why. 
  39 20:03:13
  40 bdmc
  41 Incidentally, I hereby call this meeting of the Board of CAcert, Inc, to order. 
  42 20:03:33
  43 Etienne
  44 https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2022-09-01 
  45 20:03:58
  46 https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2022-08-04#Minutes 
  47 20:04:33
  48 KimNilsson
  49 For those that have access, here are the minutes. If you can, you are free to help out making sure the minutes are as close to reality as possible. 
  50 20:04:36
  51 https://nextcloud.cacert.org/apps/files/?dir=/CAcert%20board/CAcert%20-%20Committee%20meetings&openf... 
  52 20:05:38
  53 KimNilsson
  54 "here are today's minutes", I meant to say 
  55 20:07:02
  56 bdmc
  57 Would anybody like to offer a motion to accept last month's minutes? 
  58 20:07:24
  59 sat
  60 yes 
  61 20:07:31
  62 KimNilsson
  63 I move to accept the minutes of the committee meeting of 4th of August 2022. 
  64 20:07:37
  65 sat
  66 I second 
  67 20:07:39
  68 Etienne
  69 aye 
  70 20:07:50
  71 bdmc
  72 Aye 
  73 20:08:03
  74 sat
  75 abstain 
  76 20:08:45
  77 bdmc
  78 Is there anything in either the Board Private or Board mailing lists that we need to discuss? 
  79 20:09:09
  80 Etienne
  81 nothing heard 
  82 20:09:45
  83 bdmc
  84 Thank you. 
  85 20:10:02
  86 Is there anything to discuss regarding Wiki access? 
  87 20:10:27
  88 KimNilsson
  89 I HAVE WIKI ACCESS! 
  90 20:10:34
  91 bdmc
  92 Ta Daaa!! 
  93 20:11:19
  94 Etienne
  95 and Michael as well (just waiting for his confirmation) 
  96 20:11:48
  97 bdmc
  98 Moving on.   Item 2.3 -- Finance --- I saw Michael's id when I logged in, but I suspect that he isn't actually here. 
  99 20:11:50
 100 Etienne
 101 KimNilsson: How to register your vote for the agenda? 
 102 20:12:06
 103 KimNilsson
 104 Aye 
 105 20:12:31
 106 Etienne
 107 Thank you, Kim. bdmc: maybe move to openid 
 108 20:12:34
 109 KimNilsson
 110 Sorry, it's fairly cpmmon that the person asking to move for something is an automatic Aye. 
 111 20:13:00
 112 bdmc
 113 Yes, I was confused with that when I first started attending these meetings. 
 114 20:13:28
 115 KimNilsson
 116 I will confirm with Aye in the future. 
 117 20:13:35
 118 bdmc
 119 Item 2.4 -- OpenID Connect 
 120 20:14:57
 121 bdmc
 122 I don't remember -- yes, I just checked last month's minutes, and, as I said last month, Jan has been doing some work on the overall structure and way that the project is installed. 
 123 20:15:50
 124 KimNilsson
 125 Is that new from last month, or a repeat of what you said then? 
 126 20:16:04
 127 bdmc
 128 That, combined with his family vacation, has helped delay my efforts.  I am still working to have something to show by the end of this month. 
 129 20:16:13
 130 KimNilsson
 131 Gotcha 
 132 20:16:56
 133 bdmc
 134 Unless there are other questions, I will move on. 
 135 20:17:01
 136 KimNilsson
 137 go 
 138 20:17:11
 139 Etienne
 140 Are we in time? (I have no idea until when we should ....) 
 141 20:18:30
 142 bdmc
 143 I don't remember the official deadlines -- Frederic probably does, but he is returning from his family holiday today, so will likely not be with us. 
 144 20:18:56
 145 Item 2.5 -- SecureU 
 146 20:19:01
 147 Any reports on this? 
 148 20:19:43
 149 Etienne
 150 not at the moment, Michael seems to have access and asked that I will have access to. 
 151 20:20:02
 152 means: transfer is on the way, step by step. 
 153 20:20:09
 154 bdmc
 155 Good, thank you. 
 156 20:20:19
 157 Item 2.6 -- Background checks. 
 158 20:20:25
 159 Anything new? 
 160 20:20:43
 161 Etienne
 162 Dirk seems very busy, I steped in for the next BGC. 
 163 20:20:58
 164 Date is in confirmation phase for september 2022. 
 165 20:21:29
 166 BGC of Kim by Ted and Etienne. 
 167 20:21:38
 168 KimNilsson
 169 We're trying to drill down a day/time. Peopel are available differnt days and times. As can be expected. But there's hope. 
 170 20:21:43
 171 bdmc
 172 Yes, it has been a busy summer for several of us. 
 173 20:22:38
 174 Item 2.7 -- New Registrar 
 175 20:22:55
 176 Etienne
 177 Should CAcert's domains be transferred to another registrar, as it has been suggested by Dirk before? 
 178 20:23:10
 179 Michael wrote some criterias -> Agenda. 
 180 20:23:28
 181 KimNilsson
 182 There seems to be several reasons pointing to it being a good idea. 
 183 20:23:50
 184 bdmc
 185 I don't remember -- I thought that we had passed a motion assigning responsibility to the Critical Team, so it is no longer the Board's responsibility. 
 186 20:25:20
 187 bdmc
 188 Moving on again -- Item 2.8 :: Events 
 189 20:25:48
 190 Does anybody want to say anything about the summer's conferences and events. 
 191 20:26:03
 192 KimNilsson
 193 That bdmc - it as in the minutes to be put on the agenda of this meeting. 
 194 20:26:10
 195 it was 
 196 20:26:25
 197 and we have discussed it on every Wednesday meeting since then 
 198 20:26:45
 199 that's why it feels like has already been decided 
 200 20:26:50
 201 bdmc
 202 You aren't talking about Events, are you? 
 203 20:26:58
 204 Etienne
 205 back to 07/2020, I could not find such a motion. 
 206 20:27:00
 207 KimNilsson
 208 nah, Registrar 
 209 20:27:22
 210 3 Question time 
 211 20:27:22
 212 3.1 Frederic asked if CAcert's domains should be transferred to another registrar, which has been suggested by Dirk before. It will be added to the agenda of board meeting in September. 
 213 20:27:33
 214 Etienne
 215 But we can made such a motion. 
 216 20:27:38
 217 (registrar) 
 218 20:27:39
 219 bdmc
 220 OK.  In that case I feel that it would be appropriate to make such a motion. 
 221 20:28:45
 222 bdmc
 223 I move that CAcert's Critical Team be authorised to choose a new registrar for CAcert's purposes, at a time appropriate for their needs. 
 224 20:28:51
 225 KimNilsson
 226 Seconded 
 227 20:29:00
 228 bdmc
 229 No discussion? 
 230 20:29:05
 231 Aye 
 232 20:29:18
 233 Etienne
 234 aye 
 235 20:29:23
 236 KimNilsson
 237 CritTeam will, of course collaborate with Michael - to not make his job harder 
 238 20:29:53
 239 bdmc
 240 Of course -- good point.  I feel that I should amend the motion. 
 241 20:30:21
 242 KimNilsson
 243 Nah, CritTeam are competent people. Is enough that is in the minutes that I said so. 
 244 20:30:35
 245 And, it's in the agenda as a requirement. 
 246 20:30:42
 247 bdmc
 248 OK, easier for my typing.  B-) 
 249 20:31:05
 250 Any other votes on this motion? 
 251 20:31:24
 252 sat
 253 aye 
 254 20:31:37
 255 bdmc
 256 Thank you all. 
 257 20:31:40
 258 KimNilsson
 259 Thanks, was just about to ping you. :-) 
 260 20:31:51
 261 Etienne
 262 KimNilsson: second = second and aye (for the records) 
 263 20:32:15
 264 KimNilsson
 265 Etienne: awesome, and yes, that was also my understanding 
 266 20:32:25
 267 bdmc
 268 OK, back to Item 2.8 -- Events. 
 269 20:32:30
 270 Etienne
 271 I know, ... :-) 
 272 20:32:42
 273 bdmc
 274 I don't expect Dirk to report on his summer. 
 275 20:33:02
 276 KimNilsson
 277 I think he too was travelling during today's meeting. 
 278 20:33:04
 279 bdmc
 280 Etienne, do you want to talk about Australia in their summer? 
 281 20:33:31
 282 Etienne
 283 I sent a mail to our subscribers. Thats all I know. 
 284 20:33:59
 285 bdmc
 286 Not planning to head South in the middle of your school year? 
 287 20:34:28
 288 Item 2.9 -- Remote Assurance. 
 289 20:35:01
 290 I am hoping that Eva will be free from her commitments this past spring and summer, and can spend a little time on this now. 
 291 20:35:39
 292 Etienne
 293 You will be in contact with her? 
 294 20:35:43
 295 bdmc
 296 I haven't tried to bother her until now, but will send her a message immediately. 
 297 20:36:47
 298 bdmc
 299 Item 2.10 -- We have a 10 this month -- AGM 
 300 20:37:02
 301 Yes, I know that I owe you a report, Etienne. 
 302 20:37:25
 303 Etienne
 304 It's on the way. Members know the date, but no report until today arrived ;-) 
 305 20:37:30
 306 KimNilsson
 307 Ok, we are heading towards a record short meeting... I now you can do it! 
 308 20:37:51
 309 Etienne
 310 You do not owe a report to me, but to the community. 
 311 20:37:54
 312 bdmc
 313 Yes, I was seeing that myself.  I will be free for my next meeting! 
 314 20:38:17
 315 Well, for the annual reports that you have to compile. 
 316 20:38:58
 317 Any other news regarding the AGM. 
 318 20:39:03
 319 ( ? ) 
 320 20:39:44
 321 KimNilsson
 322 When will the reminder of annual payment go out? Did it already and I missed it or didn't get any, Etienne `? 
 323 20:40:07
 324 Because it's supposed to be paid before theAGM, right? 
 325 20:40:10
 326 Etienne
 327 You did not miss it. 
 328 20:40:21
 329 KimNilsson
 330 good 
 331 20:40:27
 332 bdmc
 333 Or is that perhaps a Treasurer role? 
 334 20:40:31
 335 Etienne
 336 At the end of this month. about 5-6 weeks before the meeting. 
 337 20:40:50
 338 Treasurer for the bill and secretary for the members register, hand in hand. 
 339 20:41:10
 340 KimNilsson
 341 Right, and available methods now? I think I've always used PayPal before. That still a valid method? 
 342 20:41:26
 343 bdmc
 344 I hope so. 
 345 20:41:55
 346 Etienne
 347 We do not like paypal. You may use CHF Bank, EUR Bank, Paypal (EUR, USD, AUD), if no bank available. 
 348 20:42:12
 349 bdmc
 350 No, we don't have banks in the US! 
 351 20:42:23
 352 B-) 
 353 20:42:37
 354 KimNilsson
 355 Etienne: ok, so I should wait till I get the reminder, for the compelte bank information? 
 356 20:42:58
 357 bdmc
 358 I should see if my Canadian bank will work. 
 359 20:42:58
 360 Etienne
 361 Or a bank that asks more tax than the amount. 
 362 20:43:56
 363 KimNilsson
 364 Yeah, I only paid like 0.15 EUR for my latest transfer to Malta, for about 1100 EUR. So shouldn't be expensive. 
 365 20:44:07
 366 Etienne
 367 paypal and CHF bank are available on the blog and the wiki, if you are in a hurry. 
 368 20:45:14
 369 egal
 370 salue 
 371 20:45:23
 372 KimNilsson
 373 Found it. https://blog.cacert.org/tag/iban/ 
 374 20:45:26
 375 Evening egal 
 376 20:45:34
 377 Etienne
 378 Hello Dirk, welcome to question time. 
 379 20:45:35
 380 bdmc
 381 I have always found it crazy that the banks here don't seem to know anything about foreign exchange, or almost anything to do with money outside of the local state. 
 382 20:46:35
 383 bdmc
 384 Greetings Dirk.  We have just gone through the whole agenda, and reached Question Time.  ( even though I have't actually said so ) 
 385 20:47:16
 386 KimNilsson
 387 egal: Is there anything about the recent event Froscon you feel should be mentioned and recorded on this meeting? 
 388 20:47:28
 389 bdmc
 390 Anybody have any questions for the Board, or the meeting at large? 
 391 20:48:16
 392 egal: You don't need to restrict yourself to Froscon, there were other events this year, too. 
 393 20:48:24
 394 KimNilsson
 395 I don't have any questions, only hgolding out hope for Michael mcr to pop his head in to day hi. 
 396 20:48:36
 397 "to say Hi" 
 398 20:49:22
 399 egal: Don't let the notion of this perhaps being the shortest meeting ever deter you from speaking... 
 400 20:49:25
 401 ;-) 
 402 20:49:39
 403 egal
 404 just read all your writings ... so i'm on track now ... ;-) 
 405 20:50:02
 406 this year we had more assurances done (per person) than last froscon some years ago ... 
 407 20:50:26
 408 there was a high interest and "thumbs up" for upcoming openid connect ... 
 409 20:51:02
 410 and ... with the help of other stands at froscon it was possible to give everybody 100 pts (if wanted) ;-) 
 411 20:51:26
 412 and ... august is over ... so i'll have more time again ... ;-) 
 413 20:52:05
 414 bdmc
 415 egal: Congratulations! 
 416 20:52:14
 417 KimNilsson
 418 Nice, thank you! 
 419 20:52:34
 420 egal
 421 didn't have time the last weeks (during august) for CAcert ... need to catch up now (especially for ipv6-reverse-resolution) ... 
 422 20:53:35
 423 egal
 424 eva ist still aware of the "remote assurances" stuff ... had a talk to her after business today ... (and that's part of the reason why i'm late ... as we had some discussion about it) 
 425 20:54:04
 426 bdmc
 427 Thank you.  That means that I won't send e-mail bothering her. 
 428 20:54:40
 429 egal
 430 hopefully she'll get in contact to you next week ... ;-) 
 431 20:55:01
 432 bdmc
 433 Anything else?  I can hear Kim trying to leave.    B-) 
 434 20:55:25
 435 egal
 436 (the issue of remote authentication from CCC resulted in more thinking about doing remote assurances ... 
 437 20:55:31
 438 KimNilsson
 439 My phone alarm just went off, telling me the CAcert meeting will soon start. :-) 
 440 20:55:31
 441 egal
 442 ... and how to do it ...) 
 443 20:55:45
 444 we have a voice-channel, too? ;-) 
 445 20:55:54
 446 bdmc
 447 ( Sorry --- CCC? ) 
 448 20:56:16
 449 egal
 450 chaos computer club ... i think i posted the link in telegram-chat some weeks ago 
 451 20:56:35
 452 bdmc
 453 Thanks. 
 454 20:56:54
 455 egal
 456 they found some issues when doing remote authentication for our health insurance system 
 457 20:57:06
 458 KimNilsson
 459 egal: haha, nah, I've just been cheering everyone on as the meeting has progressed in record speed. 
 460 20:58:36
 461 egal
 462 regarding secure-u i don't have any update ... will check bit.nl-portal, if the addresses changed for the next invoices 
 463 20:59:38
 464 egal
 465 @etienne ... i should be able to write some reports in the next weeks ... wasn't able to prepare some in the last weeks 
 466 21:00:23
 467 bdmc
 468 Etienne:  That's a good point.  When do you actually need those reports.  I know that I have been late several times. 
 469 21:00:37
 470 ( sorry, I keep missing question marks ) 
 471 21:01:12
 472 Etienne
 473 I will @ teams  and boards and so one with links and infos this week. 
 474 21:01:26
 475 bdmc
 476 OK. 
 477 21:01:28
 478 KimNilsson
 479 Michael says in the Telegram that he's not feeling well, and just realised he missed the meeting. 
 480 21:01:44
 481 bdmc
 482 Anybody have anything else, or shall we call it a day? 
 483 21:01:59
 484 egal
 485 call it a night ... ;-) 
 486 21:02:17
 487 bdmc
 488 One of the three! 
 489 21:02:58
 490 In that case, I shall call this meeting to a close.  Our next meeting will be held here on October 6th. 
 491 21:03:17
 492 KimNilsson
 493 Thank you and good night everyone! 
 494 21:03:21
 495 bdmc
 496 Thank you all 
 497 21:03:31
 498 egal
 499 which time? 
 500 21:03:34
 501 18 UTC again? 
 502 21:03:44
 503 Etienne
 504 19:00 UTC (in alternance) 
 505 21:04:16
 506 bdmc
 507 Thank you Etienne. 
 508 21:04:24
 509 Off to my next meeting. 
 510 21:04:29
 511 Etienne
 512 Thank you for joining 
 513 21:04:33
 514 egal
 515 okay ... see you again next month ... or in TG ... or in jitsi ... ;-) 
 516 21:04:44
 517 ← bdmc a quitté (Quit: leaving) 
 518 21:04:45
 519 KimNilsson
 520 bye 
 521 21:04:45
 522 Etienne
 523 or on @, egal! 
 524 21:04:51
 525 good bye 
 526 21:05:15
 527 sat
 528 Bye! 
 529 21:05:48
 530 ← KimNilsson est parti du salon  
 531 21:07:36
 532 → mcr1 est entré 
 533 21:08:18
 534 mcr1
 535 Sorry, I missed it.  I have been out for 24h with a very intense migraine.   It stopped raining, and the headache went away finally.  I imagine it's all over now. 
 536 21:10:53
 537 Etienne
 538 hello mcr1 
 539 21:11:11
 540 mcr1
 541 hi. 
 542 21:11:14
 543 good evening. 
 544 21:11:18
 545 Etienne
 546 the others left about 3-4 minutes ago 
 547 21:11:33
 548 I just copied the minutes on the wiki. 
 549 21:11:40
 550 mcr1
 551 thank you, I'll read them. 
 552 21:11:47
 553 Etienne
 554 I hope you feel better now.