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   9 KimNilsson
  10 Present. 
  11 21:02:25
  12 Etienne
  13 Good evening Kim 
  14 21:02:46
  15 Hello Sascha and Michael 
  16 21:02:53
  17 Hello Brian and Dirk 
  18 21:04:45
  19 bdmc
  20 I guess that I will wait a few minutes to start, since Dirk said that he was still on the road ( he isn't necessary to start ), and Kim and Etienne are the only other two that I am sure are here. 
  21 21:06:35
  22 KimNilsson
  23 mcr: recently typed in the Telegram 
  24 21:06:52
  25 dirk will not arrive for another 20+ minutes. 
  26 21:07:29
  27 Etienne
  28 I apologise for the delay. My wife is currently in her home country and called a quarter of an hour before the meeting started. It was a bit tight from the telephone to the desk. 
  29 21:08:15
  30 bdmc
  31 No problem, Etienne.  You are here earlier than most. 
  32 21:08:50
  33 KimNilsson
  34 Minutes here, https://nextcloud.cacert.org/apps/files/?dir=/CAcert%20board/CAcert%20-%20Committee%20meetings&openf... 
  35 21:08:57
  36 Etienne
  37 Yesterday, I discovered our goals for 2021/22: 8 goals. no one though, we will achieve them. 
  38 21:09:48
  39 One became obsolete thanks to our work, two are on the way and one is ready to start. Not bad. And there are still months until AGM 2022! 
  40 21:10:49
  41 bdmc
  42 Technically, we are in next year already!   B-) 
  43 21:11:01
  44 Thank you, Kim. 
  45 21:11:42
  46 I have a deadline of less than two hours, but I don't really want to start with only three. 
  47 21:12:40
  48 KimNilsson
  49 sat: & mcr - you almost here? 
  50 21:16:30
  51 Etienne
  52 bdmc: as Kim did already 1.2, we could start with 1.1, 1.3, 1.4 and 2.1 and 2.2 and look then if we are more? 
  53 21:18:45
  54 bdmc
  55 Etienne: Agreed 
  56 21:18:56
  57 Let us set the start time as xx:18. 
  58 21:19:06
  59 Etienne
  60 Agenda: https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2022-08-04 
  61 21:19:08
  62 bdmc
  63 I hereby call this meeting to order. 
  64 21:19:48
  65 → FD est entré 
  66 21:19:57
  67 bdmc
  68 Etienne: Is there anything in the mailing lists that we want to add to our meeting? 
  69 21:20:03
  70 ( Welcome Frederic ) 
  71 21:20:49
  72 Nothing heard. 
  73 21:20:51
  74 Etienne
  75 I did not see anything in the mailing lists (only what I sent) 
  76 21:20:59
  77 bdmc
  78 Thank you 
  79 21:21:25
  80 FD
  81 Good evening all! I've just returned home (Metro service interruption at Gare de Lyon) 
  82 21:21:26
  83 bdmc
  84 Would someone like to make the motion to accept last month's minutes? 
  85 21:21:33
  86 Etienne
  87 https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2022-07-07#Minutes 
  88 21:21:46
  89 I move to accept the minutes of the committee meeting of 7th of July 2022. 
  90 21:21:56
  91 bdmc
  92 Thank you -- Secon? 
  93 21:22:00
  94 ( second ) 
  95 21:22:03
  96 Etienne
  97 aye 
  98 21:22:17
  99 bdmc
 100 Do I have a seconder? 
 101 21:23:18
 102 KimNilsson
 103 Seconded 
 104 21:23:47
 105 Aye 
 106 21:23:48
 107 bdmc
 108 Thank you.  All in favour? 
 109 21:24:00
 110 I am abstaining, because I was not present. 
 111 21:24:34
 112 Continuing. 
 113 21:24:36
 114 FD
 115 The same for me 
 116 21:25:16
 117 bdmc
 118 Item 2.1.1 -- I gather that we are still waiting on results, here, correct? 
 119 21:26:35
 120 bdmc
 121 Item 2.2.2 and 3.  I saw the correspondence between Etienne and Mario in e-mail ( in German ), so I gather that we have no news here. 
 122 21:27:11
 123 Item 2.3 -- Michael is not currently here -- Etienne, do you have any news? 
 124 21:27:24
 125 Etienne
 126 Mario asked me to ping him until he does it. 
 127 21:28:37
 128 Etienne
 129 I hav to resign a contract with the bank in paper. The paper is in the snail mail to me. Then we get the Euro account (do to new national regulations of the authorithies, just normal buraucracy) 
 130 21:28:53
 131 bdmc
 132 Thank you. 
 133 21:28:57
 134 FD
 135 2.3.1 -> As far as the NextERP roll-out is concerned, which I have committed to do, I will do it. 
 136 21:30:00
 137 Etienne
 138 Thank you, Frédéric. 
 139 21:30:15
 140 bdmc
 141 Item 2.4 -- Jan just did some major restructuring of the code, so I have had to go back and make my part of the project conform.  I am still working to Dirk's desired deadline. 
 142 21:30:33
 143 Etienne
 144 Should I put it on the agenda from Sept/Okt/Nov next time, FD? 
 145 21:32:25
 146 FD
 147 Rather on the October agenda, please. 
 148 21:32:35
 149 Etienne
 150 Great, what you (Jan and Brian) do! 
 151 21:32:45
 152 mcr
 153 I'm here! 
 154 21:33:01
 155 KimNilsson
 156 Etienne: & FD - like I mentioned in the email - yes, please, push it, so we don't have to alk about it again, until it's actually done. Or we miss talking about it. :-) 
 157 21:33:10
 158 Hi Michael 
 159 21:33:18
 160 Etienne
 161 Hello Michael 
 162 21:35:09
 163 bdmc
 164 Greetings Michael.  We just passed Item 2.3, and Etienne reported that he was waiting on a paper document from the bank. 
 165 21:35:28
 166 mcr
 167 I have the bank statements from Westpac for 2021/2022 now so I will update the spreadsheet.  We will have to move money soon, so I guess given the continuing lack of access to the Swiss account, I will be forced to do that via proxy through Etienne. I sure hope that we get the Euro account open by the time we have to start spending money. 
 168 21:36:23
 169 bdmc
 170 mcr: You say that we must move money soon.  Is that just so that we are able to spend it, or for some other reason? 
 171 21:36:47
 172 Etienne
 173 bdmc, do you trust PP? 
 174 21:38:53
 175 bdmc
 176 There are a lot of stories of failures there, as well as our own experience.  Michael was talking about Westpac, I thought. 
 177 21:38:58
 178 mcr
 179 bdmc, I don't really trust PP to not lose our money.  They aren't a bank, don't have deposit insurance. 
 180 21:39:21
 181 I do trust them to transfer the money from Westpac -> Swiss bank. 
 182 21:39:39
 183 bdmc
 184 OK.  Just clarifying. 
 185 21:40:16
 186 mcr
 187 I'd like it all transfered to an Euro account at Swiss bank, whatever they are called... GKB. 
 188 21:40:47
 189 bdmc
 190 And close the Westpac accounts? 
 191 21:40:47
 192 egal
 193 salue 
 194 21:41:00
 195 mcr
 196 closing the Westpac accounts is probably impossible :-) 
 197 21:41:09
 198 getting people to stop sending money there is enough. 
 199 21:41:18
 200 KimNilsson
 201 PP = PayPal? (I only have personal experience that they have really high fees for sending and receiving money. Guess that's why Elon could sell it for so much back in the day.) 
 202 21:41:19
 203 mcr
 204 it's maybe 100EU/year at most now. 
 205 21:41:22
 206 KimNilsson
 207 Evening, Dirk 
 208 21:41:24
 209 bdmc
 210 OK, so mostly you are talking about PayPal. 
 211 21:42:03
 212 mcr
 213 PP's fees aren't really that high compared to many other banks, it's just a) more transparent to receivers, so they are more surprised, b) other banks often bury the fees in the FX fees. 
 214 21:42:13
 215 KimNilsson
 216 gotcha 
 217 21:44:21
 218 bdmc
 219 Done? 
 220 21:45:26
 221 bdmc
 222 Item 2.5 -- Michael, you might know something about this. 
 223 21:46:40
 224 mcr
 225 2.5... let me read. 
 226 21:47:13
 227 Oh. Yes.  So I think we just remove the inventory from the document, and sign it. 
 228 21:47:26
 229 I'd even like to move that today/now. 
 230 21:47:44
 231 bdmc
 232 Certainly.  Make the motion. 
 233 21:47:45
 234 mcr
 235 I thought the inventory would be trivial to fill in, but if it's not, then let's not do that. 
 236 21:48:04
 237 bdmc
 238 If you need to make a motion. 
 239 21:48:06
 240 mcr
 241 I move that we remove the inventory from the document circulated on nextcloud, and sign it on behalf of CACERT. 
 242 21:48:10
 243 egal
 244 inventory for 2.5 means? 
 245 21:48:22
 246 mcr
 247 The list of stuff that's in the cabinet. 
 248 21:48:47
 249 bdmc
 250 I second that motion. 
 251 21:48:55
 252 Any discussion? 
 253 21:49:19
 254 mcr
 255 can egal tell us the cabinet designation/number? 
 256 21:49:20
 257 Etienne
 258 This is not clear as motion. 
 259 21:49:35
 260 mcr
 261 Okay. 
 262 21:49:52
 263 egal
 264 ah ... will try to compile the list in the next days ... and verify it during the next visit planned later the month or september 
 265 21:50:15
 266 mcr
 267 I move that we sign the document at: https://nextcloud.cacert.org/s/EgdrpwwxLrtwgE3 with the cabinet number filled in. 
 268 21:50:16
 269 Etienne
 270 Something like "I move that the transfer of the contract at BIT from secureU to CAcert be signed by CAcert Inc." would be clearer to me. 
 271 21:50:25
 272 bdmc
 273 Hmmm.  Since we are removing this information from the contract, do we need to discuss details now? 
 274 21:50:28
 275 mcr
 276 I move that the transfer of the contract at BIT from secureU to CAcert be signed by CAcert Inc. 
 277 21:50:53
 278 Etienne
 279 second and aye 
 280 21:51:06
 281 bdmc
 282 Any other discussion? 
 283 21:51:33
 284 KimNilsson
 285 (sidetracking ... mcr - Ignore this until you feel it's interesting enough to respond to.) I just feel that PP asking for % of the transferred amount is gouging. I sent €1200 to pay for our vacation house, and the fee was only € 0.15. PP subtracts 3.5% whenever I get paid. That's expensive. 
 286 21:51:37
 287 egal
 288 there is some older hardware on my site (alix board and 10/100 gb-switches) ... 
 289 21:52:08
 290 mcr
 291 half-cabinet (BIT-2B.2.1-B) 
 292 21:52:24
 293 I found it in the last invoice. 
 294 21:52:56
 295 egal, I don't care about anything that's not *in* the cabinet.  I just want SecureU to be sure that everything that's in the cabinet is getting transfered :-) 
 296 21:52:57
 297 egal
 298 ... and sun4/broken signer etc. ... what to do with this hardware? keep it at my site on behalv of CAcert Inc.? 
 299 21:52:59
 300 mcr
 301 no backsies :-) 
 302 21:53:27
 303 if you want to rid your place of junk, then ... let's put that on the list. 
 304 21:53:33
 305 maybe someone else wants it for parts. 
 306 21:53:44
 307 Etienne
 308 Spare parts? 
 309 21:53:50
 310 egal
 311 it's hardware, which was in the cabinet when secure-u got it ... and then removed/replaced by newer hardware ... 
 312 21:53:53
 313 Etienne
 314 CAcert museum? 
 315 21:54:12
 316 bdmc
 317 From what I hear, they are antiques. 
 318 21:54:28
 319 All in favour of Michael's motion? 
 320 21:54:31
 321 Aye 
 322 21:54:34
 323 Etienne
 324 Sell them as antiques. Money is allways welcome. 
 325 21:54:38
 326 KimNilsson
 327 Aye 
 328 21:55:11
 329 egal
 330 so let's keep it for now at my site ... and think about it later ... 
 331 21:56:09
 332 bdmc
 333 I'm looking for a couple more votes. 
 334 21:57:03
 335 OK.  Moving on.  Item 2.6 -- Background Checks.  Nothing to report? 
 336 21:57:04
 337 Etienne
 338 FD? sat? 
 339 21:57:22
 340 bdmc
 341 I don't think that sat is here. 
 342 21:57:41
 343 Etienne
 344 2.6.: Ted is activly searching dates for new checks. egal gives he a hand. 
 345 21:57:46
 346 FD
 347 I vote yes to Michael's motion. 
 348 21:57:48
 349 KimNilsson
 350 I have been contacted about BGC, and responded that I'm open all timeslots mentioned.. 
 351 21:58:27
 352 mcr
 353 great. 
 354 21:58:35
 355 will we sign with SMIME or PGP :-) 
 356 21:59:14
 357 bdmc
 358 Oh, SMIME of course!   That's who we are, isn't it? 
 359 21:59:45
 360 That's a technical detail, unless you want more members of the Board to sign as well. 
 361 22:00:24
 362 mcr
 363 it was a rhetorical question actually.  I think we are directing the secretary to sign the document, and send a detached signature to SecureU. 
 364 22:00:31
 365 egal
 366 reagarding background checks i got an email from ted ... need to answer it as soon as there is some time this month ... 
 367 22:01:22
 368 bdmc
 369 Next, Item 2.7 -- Dirk ( and others? ) is advertising FrosCon. 
 370 22:01:46
 371 Etienne
 372 PR will contact assurers from around within next days. 
 373 22:02:11
 374 egal
 375 do we have a text to be sent from critical system? 
 376 22:02:19
 377 bdmc
 378 Etienne: Is this regarding 2.7? 
 379 22:02:29
 380 Etienne
 381 bdmc: yes! 
 382 22:02:39
 383 egal
 384 (like we did for ATEs ages ago?) 
 385 22:02:43
 386 bdmc
 387 Sorry.  Didn't understand. 
 388 22:02:49
 389 Etienne
 390 I will check with Alex for the text. 
 391 22:03:18
 392 bdmc: a mailing to local assurers ca. 30 miles / 50 km around froscon. 
 393 22:03:29
 394 egal
 395 please add ted in CC ... so he could give the OK from arbitration POV 
 396 22:04:01
 397 bdmc
 398 Etienne: Understood 
 399 22:06:03
 400 egal
 401 50 km is too short ... if we use 85 km, ruhrgebiet is in the range ... 
 402 22:07:46
 403 KimNilsson
 404 bdmc: egal: jan ... 2.8 New CSR - any movement? (if not, take it off the agenda until someone is ready to act on it, or until there is some movement?) 
 405 22:08:22
 406 egal
 407 for CSR you should ask ted, not me ... 
 408 22:08:55
 409 Etienne
 410 bdmc: remove or bring it again in 4, 6, 8 month? 
 411 22:09:23
 412 KimNilsson
 413 We don't have to decie how long ti should be off. 
 414 22:09:43
 415 Etienne
 416 OK, i put in the "to not forget" list 
 417 22:10:03
 418 bdmc
 419 Etienne:  What I was thinking, too.  Thanks 
 420 22:10:04
 421 KimNilsson
 422 That's a perfect thing someone can just mentiuon during a Wednesday meeting - "hey, it's been a long time and nothing on CSR... should we bring it up on the next meeting?" 
 423 22:10:15
 424 That works. 
 425 22:11:13
 426 bdmc
 427 As far as Item 2.9 -- I haven't heard anything from Eva since June, I think.  Dirk? 
 428 22:11:25
 429 Etienne
 430 "At the moment I'm busy with something else, but I hope to get back to 
 431 22:11:25
 432 this over the summer. Please ping me to remind me of this project if I 
 433 22:11:25
 434 come not back to it by myself. " (11. June 2022) 
 435 22:11:41
 436 bdmc
 437 I know that she has been busy with giving presentations at conferences. 
 438 22:11:47
 439 Etienne
 440 (mail from Eva @bdmc) 
 441 22:11:55
 442 egal
 443 eva has to hold a talk on froscon in 2 1/2 weeks ... so she's quite busy with it ... 
 444 22:12:13
 445 (and ... she was on holiday = MCH and haxogreen) during the last 2 weeks ...) 
 446 22:12:31
 447 KimNilsson
 448 That's great, then perhaps Eva will be able to say hi during September meeting, or email a Hello. 
 449 22:12:33
 450 bdmc
 451 Etienne: Let's skip a month on this one.  Bring it back in October. 
 452 22:12:33
 453 Etienne
 454 egal, we just to try to find out when we should recontact Eva: August, Sept, Okt, .. 
 455 22:12:42
 456 Okt. OK 
 457 22:12:48
 458 KimNilsson
 459 Octobeer is fine too. Good. 
 460 22:13:11
 461 egal
 462 i'm in contact to eva nearly every day (business) ... 
 463 22:13:16
 464 KimNilsson
 465 Remind her now, like she asked to be. Then wait for her. 
 466 22:13:20
 467 bdmc
 468 KimNilsson: Did you really mean that spelling? 
 469 22:13:33
 470 B-) 
 471 22:13:33
 472 egal
 473 as soon as froscon is done i'll give her a reminder ... ;-) 
 474 22:13:42
 475 bdmc
 476 egal: Thank you 
 477 22:14:05
 478 And, finally, Item 2.10  -- Our AGM 
 479 22:14:05
 480 KimNilsson
 481 haha, that would fit just right that month, if I remember correctly :-) 
 482 22:14:35
 483 bdmc
 484 There has been talk about dates, and I think that the consensus is the 12th. 
 485 22:14:57
 486 Will we go with the "traditional" time, 20:00 UTC? 
 487 22:15:01
 488 KimNilsson
 489 I'm all for the 12th, and haven't we all said 12th? Second question was about time. Someone had an ask about time. 
 490 22:15:53
 491 Etienne
 492 20:00 UTC would be Sat 20:00 GMT / 20:00 UTC / Sat 21:00 CET (Berlin/Zurich) / Sat 15:00 EDT (New York) / Sun 07:00 AEDT (Sydney) 
 493 22:16:28
 494 mcr
 495 I asked about time, because on the Nov. 12th, I will be at IETF115, just finishing, and should decide if I am travelling that day or not. 
 496 22:16:45
 497 (That will be in London) 
 498 22:17:03
 499 bdmc
 500 mcr: Would you be comfortable on delaying your travel until Sunday or Monday? 
 501 22:17:33
 502 ( comfortable with ) 
 503 22:17:34
 504 KimNilsson
 505 I'm ok with it starting earlier. I've learned that AGMs tend to take time, and starting later will make the late decisions poor. 
 506 22:17:36
 507 mcr
 508 Yes, so that's the point.  I either travel Friday/Saturday morning, or I travel Sunday.  I can work around it, I just need to know now :-) 
 509 22:17:42
 510 Etienne
 511 Sat with CAcert, Sun at Westminster Abbey and Mon with the Queen? 
 512 22:18:00
 513 mcr
 514 no, the Queen usually meets with me at the Abbey. 
 515 22:18:07
 516 Etienne
 517 :-) 
 518 22:18:15
 519 mcr
 520 we *do* share the same birthday. 
 521 22:18:20
 522 (not birth year) 
 523 22:18:29
 524 bdmc
 525 mcr: Wow, me too! 
 526 22:18:34
 527 KimNilsson
 528 Most regent. 
 529 22:18:53
 530 bdmc
 531 KimNilsson: The problem with that suggestion is the Australian time. 
 532 22:18:55
 533 mcr
 534 bdmc, perhaps we can persuade the rest of the board to change their birthday for April. 
 535 22:19:34
 536 I'm fine with 2000UTC. 
 537 22:19:40
 538 KimNilsson
 539 Etienne: Riiiight. They are ahead, making it early Sunday morning there. 
 540 22:19:49
 541 mcr
 542 I'd like to go out klubbing that night, but that's not until close to midnight :-) 
 543 22:20:17
 544 Etienne
 545 When I was in the UK, they closed all Pubs at 23:00 
 546 22:20:29
 547 KimNilsson
 548 I was always fine with 20:00 UTC. 
 549 22:20:50
 550 Yes, they do. Pubs close at 23:00. Only night clubs allowed to be open later. 
 551 22:21:32
 552 bdmc
 553 "members only" clubs, right?  ( membership at the door, just 10 pounds ) 
 554 22:22:00
 555 Etienne
 556 as CAcert Inc: members only for 10.-- 
 557 22:22:22
 558 bdmc
 559 OK.  We seem to be in agreement. 
 560 22:22:27
 561 Etienne
 562 I move to fix Saturday, 12.Nov.2022, 20:00 UTC for the Annual General Meeting. 
 563 22:22:42
 564 FD
 565 I second. 
 566 22:22:47
 567 Etienne
 568 aye 
 569 22:22:51
 570 FD
 571 yes 
 572 22:22:56
 573 bdmc
 574 OK, I was starting to write that motion, but...  Aye 
 575 22:23:15
 576 mcr
 577 Aye! 
 578 22:23:26
 579 bdmc
 580 Good enough. 
 581 22:23:38
 582 KimNilsson
 583 Dunno, never went. Ended the nights with other exchange students at one of their houses instead. There was no time limit there. :-) Spring of 1998. University of Hull, north east England. 
 584 22:23:39
 585 Etienne
 586 (bdmc: most motions are ready for copy paste or copy adapt paste in the agenda) 
 587 22:23:44
 588 KimNilsson
 589 Aye 
 590 22:23:59
 591 bdmc
 592 Question Time:  Anybody have anything that they want to know? 
 593 22:24:05
 594 FD
 595 Do we keep the cacert domains at our historical registrar, or do we port them to another, as Dirk proposed last year at this time? 
 596 22:25:28
 597 Etienne
 598 are there reasons against that idea? 
 599 22:26:02
 600 FD
 601 Reasons against which of the two options? 
 602 22:26:43
 603 mcr
 604 I assume new registrar supports DNSSEC.  Do they also support CDS? 
 605 22:26:44
 606 Etienne
 607 Reasons against changing? Dirk gaave some reasons to change. If I remember well. 
 608 22:27:04
 609 KimNilsson
 610 Moving to a decent not unnecessarily expensive registrar which can be easily paid from the Swiss account - sounds like good idea. 
 611 22:27:27
 612 egal
 613 gkg is using dnssec, too ... 
 614 22:27:34
 615 FD
 616 I ask the question, simply because I remember talking about it a few months ago with Dirk and Brian, both of whom recommended waiting until the summer to make the decision. Here we go 
 617 22:28:05
 618 Etienne
 619 Decision = board? Execution = ?? 
 620 22:28:45
 621 KimNilsson
 622 I'm all for it. Also no need to decide which it is. Nor which requirements. Board says do it. Technical /  critical Team does it, or whoever is capable. 
 623 22:29:10
 624 bdmc
 625 OK, so what are the Pros and Cons? 
 626 22:30:08
 627 KimNilsson
 628 Moving means there could be a brief interference in services. But with the quite severe disturbances we've had during these last few months, it doesn't feel relevant. 
 629 22:31:38
 630 FD
 631 I am not sure that it is now, at the end of the meeting, that we should debate the arguments pro and con. That's why I proposed to deal with the issue a little earlier. Today, perhaps we should just give ourselves a quick answer: do we want to think about it, or do we leave it as it is? 
 632 22:32:01
 633 egal
 634 or talk next wednesday about it? 
 635 22:32:21
 636 bdmc
 637 FD: O 
 638 22:32:48
 639 FD: I'm sorry.  I didn't see anything.  I guess that if it wasn't in the Agenda, I didn't see it. 
 640 22:33:01
 641 Etienne
 642 yes, please, think about it. This summer. so, there is enough time to do it, if we want. 
 643 22:33:10
 644 KimNilsson
 645 I've put it in as Question time 3.1 :-) 
 646 22:33:12
 647 FD
 648 I'm happy to do so. Would you remind us Dirk what the deadline is in September? 
 649 22:33:42
 650 egal
 651 need to check ... (in the next days) 
 652 22:33:55
 653 bdmc
 654 KimNilsson: I think that instead of 3.1, it should be a formal item in the Agenda. 
 655 22:34:10
 656 ( under Business ) 
 657 22:34:27
 658 KimNilsson
 659 Then that'll have to be next time. 
 660 22:34:35
 661 bdmc
 662 Agreed 
 663 22:34:53
 664 FD
 665 @Brian: this was not on the agenda, it was a simple question raised when you called for points outside the agenda. 
 666 22:34:59
 667 KimNilsson
 668 Worded so in 3.1 now. :-) 
 669 22:35:24
 670 2.10.2... AGM reports... need any more words on that? 
 671 22:35:57
 672 It says Etienne that secretary is on that, so I assume you are. 
 673 22:36:02
 674 Etienne
 675 No, just info and task, if you are in a team. 
 676 22:36:17
 677 bdmc
 678 KimNilsson: It says that the Secretary needs to nag us, so that should be sufficient. 
 679 22:36:35
 680 OK.  Anything more, or shall we re-convene in September.   Really, the 1st? 
 681 22:36:36
 682 Etienne
 683 3.2. Other question: Was the starting time 19 UTC only for this month (as we did 20 UTC in the other years and 18 UTC earlier this year) or for ever? 
 684 22:37:16
 685 bdmc
 686 Etienne: Good point.  Anybody? 
 687 22:37:29
 688 KimNilsson
 689 We said to alternate 
 690 22:37:42
 691 Then we actually did more than one 18:00 UTC in a row 
 692 22:38:45
 693 KimNilsson
 694 The logical combo was to have 18:00 even months, and 19:00 odd months. 
 695 22:39:01
 696 bdmc
 697 Oh, no!  We can't have logic! 
 698 22:39:07
 699 KimNilsson
 700 and since we messed up one month that is now skewed. 
 701 22:39:24
 702 bdmc
 703 And where does 20 come in to it? 
 704 22:39:31
 705 FD
 706 From my point of view, the sooner the better. I dread the thought of resuming those late night committee meetings that easily end for us Europeans after midnight, in between work days. 
 707 22:39:39
 708 bdmc
 709 Or is that permanently lost? 
 710 22:39:52
 711 Etienne
 712 From November UTC becomes 1 hour earlier in Europe. 
 713 22:39:57
 714 KimNilsson
 715 Nobody wants 20:00 UTC for monthly meetings, only for AGM, as there are no Aussies on the board nowadays. 
 716 22:40:35
 717 bdmc
 718 OK.  I always try to keep these meetings to two hours or less.  I need to leave soon, anyway. 
 719 22:40:36
 720 egal
 721 1930 was possible for me today ... 18 utc would have been too early ... 
 722 22:40:38
 723 Etienne
 724 For me it makes a difference if it is Summer or Winter (do to daylightsavingtime) 
 725 22:41:24
 726 KimNilsson
 727 EU has said to remove DST, but not decided on an actual time to do so. The irony. 
 728 22:41:54
 729 bdmc
 730 There are thoughts here about setting time permanently to the DST version. 
 731 22:41:54
 732 egal
 733 21:00 local time is best for me ... ;-) 
 734 22:42:25
 735 FD
 736 The European Union had decided, and set 2021 as the last year in which a shift would occur. 
 737 22:42:42
 738 bdmc
 739 OK.  So we have 18, 19 and 20 for the September meeting.  Votes? 
 740 22:42:45
 741 Etienne
 742 For me in Summer 18 and 19 works fine, in Winter 19 is better (until they removed DST) 
 743 22:43:33
 744 egal
 745 ... and then they were not able to agree to permanent summer or winter time ... 
 746 22:43:35
 747 FD
 748 Let's Let's try 18:00 UTC for the September meeting, when we are still in "summer hours"? 
 749 22:43:50
 750 KimNilsson
 751 1800 UTC is my vote 
 752 22:44:03
 753 FD
 754 18:00 UTC is my vote, too. 
 755 22:44:24
 756 Etienne
 757 egal: do not worry, you join us just after the Preliminaries ... 
 758 22:44:30
 759 KimNilsson
 760 egal: yeah, that too, but I think the science is on Winter time, which was the time before DST became a thing. 
 761 22:45:37
 762 bdmc
 763 OK, just before I go, I will see you all on the 1st of September, at 18 UTC. 
 764 22:46:03
 765 mcr: You still here?  18 work for you? 
 766 22:46:04
 767 KimNilsson
 768 Brilliant. 
 769 22:46:12
 770 FD
 771 Merci Brian ! 
 772 22:46:30
 773 Etienne
 774 Thank you for chairing, bdmc; thank you for joining, KimNilsson, , FD, mcr, egal. 
 775 22:46:41
 776 egal
 777 ;-) 
 778 22:46:47
 779 bdmc
 780 Good night all! 
 781 22:47:14
 782 Etienne
 783 Nice after noon, bdmc and mcr, good night... 
 784 22:47:36
 785 ← bdmc a quitté (Quit: leaving) 
 786 22:47:42
 787 KimNilsson
 788 Thank you and good night everyone. 
 789 22:47:44
 790 FD
 791 Thank you Etienne, have a good evening Dirk. 
 792 22:47:56
 793 ← FD est parti du salon  
 794 22:59:44
 795 ← KimNilsson est parti du salon  
 796 
 797 6 Utilisateurs
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 799     @ynazarov
 800     egal
 801     Etienne
 802     mcr
 803     nemunaire
 804     sat