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   7 21:01:05
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  10 21:01:05
  11 → Etienne est entré 
  12 21:02:07
  13 bdmc
  14 It is a bit warmer today, and for the next couple, as well.  Didn't get below zero over night, and will be up to 20 or so in the day time. 
  15 21:02:25
  16 Nice to see you, too, Etienne. 
  17 21:03:07
  18 I haven't heard anything from Michael or Sascha, so, as far as I know, it is just the three of us, so far. 
  19 21:03:34
  20 Etienne
  21 Hello Brian, good evening Kim 
  22 21:03:54
  23 KimNilsson
  24 Hi, Etienne 
  25 21:04:39
  26 It's been a while since I read the wiki about this, but what is the main difference between the Board and the Committee? :-) 
  27 21:04:46
  28 bdmc
  29 Yes. 
  30 21:05:02
  31 Synonyms 
  32 21:05:31
  33 KimNilsson
  34 Ahhh (kinda guessed), thanks for clearing that up. 
  35 21:06:24
  36 Etienne
  37 Committee is the official name as in the statutes, Board is the name used in daily business. 
  38 21:06:51
  39 KimNilsson
  40 I'm the only one in the BBB audio session. Maybe we'll stick to writing this time? btw, the live-minutes doc is from August. 
  41 21:07:32
  42 bdmc
  43 I'm in another organisation, and we are called the "Steering Committee" there. 
  44 21:07:42
  45 KimNilsson
  46 ah 
  47 21:08:18
  48 bdmc
  49 Kim, I really do not like the audio session, because it tends to create "side conversations," distracting from the meeting. 
  50 21:08:43
  51 KimNilsson
  52 Understood. Disconnecting. 
  53 21:09:08
  54 bdmc
  55 Frederic is the big promoter of that tool. 
  56 21:09:16
  57 Etienne
  58 Frédéric puts in the new live minutes link, as he creates it. 
  59 21:09:30
  60 https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2021-12-02 
  61 21:09:56
  62 https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2021-11-04#Minutes 
  63 21:09:56
  64 bdmc
  65 Etienne, thank you for that link.  I had got it out of your e-mail message, but it is useful here, too. 
  66 21:11:51
  67 mcr
  68 hello! 
  69 21:11:52
  70 bdmc
  71 When Kim and I were talking to Frederic yesterday, he was still in Paris, and had inconsistent Internet access. 
  72 21:11:57
  73 Greetings Michael. 
  74 21:12:12
  75 KimNilsson
  76 aha, yup, I'm there, but it says that the URL should be updated before the meeting... Which should've started 12 minutes ago? ---- ah, that's probably why Frederic hasn't done that 
  77 21:12:14
  78 bdmc
  79 And we now have four! 
  80 21:12:37
  81 KimNilsson
  82 Hello, Michael! 
  83 21:12:55
  84 bdmc
  85 Since we have a quorum, I will now call this meeting of the Board ( Committee ) of CAcert, Inc, to order. 
  86 21:13:08
  87 sat
  88 Good evening! 
  89 21:13:20
  90 bdmc
  91 Nice to see you, Sascha, too! 
  92 21:13:27
  93 Welcome 
  94 21:13:39
  95 mcr
  96 on the topic of the agenda, "decision about USD and AUD in PP (Michael)", I don't really know what this means. 
  97 21:13:40
  98 Etienne
  99 There is linkk (1) for the agenda, link (2) for the minutes of November, both working, but the link for live minutes is not up do date. 
 100 21:13:57
 101 bdmc
 102 OK, we'll talk about that when we get there. 
 103 21:14:29
 104 Etienne, since I am automatically keeping a log, and I suspect that there are others, I won't worry about that. 
 105 21:14:49
 106 We will discuss Minutes formalities later. 
 107 21:15:09
 108 As usual, we will work to keep this as short ( less than six hours ) as possible! 
 109 21:15:21
 110 KimNilsson
 111 phew, yes, pelase 
 112 21:15:47
 113 bdmc
 114 Are there any messages or other items in either of the Mailing Lists that need to be discussed? 
 115 21:17:03
 116 bdmc
 117 Nothing heard, so assuming nothing. 
 118 21:17:38
 119 I was just scanning the Minutes from last month's meeting, and see a couple of spelling errors, but, aside from that, have no arguments. 
 120 21:18:20
 121 Would someone please offer a motion to accept those Minutes, or does anybody have anything that they want to discuss about those Minutes? 
 122 21:18:28
 123 mcr
 124 I propose to accept them. 
 125 21:18:36
 126 bdmc
 127 Thank you, Michael. 
 128 21:18:38
 129 Second? 
 130 21:18:39
 131 mcr
 132 I read them, and I was there, and they reflect my memory. 
 133 21:18:48
 134 Etienne
 135 second and aye 
 136 21:19:01
 137 bdmc
 138 Thank you.   All in favour? 
 139 21:19:04
 140 Aye 
 141 21:19:07
 142 mcr
 143 Aye 
 144 21:19:09
 145 KimNilsson
 146 Aye 
 147 21:19:24
 148 sat
 149 Abstain 
 150 21:19:38
 151 bdmc
 152 Thank you all. 
 153 21:19:44
 154 Moving on. 
 155 21:20:42
 156 Some years we have a separate "organisation" meeting, prior to the first Board Meeting, but this year, we are combining efforts with item 2.1. 
 157 21:21:30
 158 Officially, the AGM voted for a group of people, not for positions.  Assigning those positions is our task now. 
 159 21:21:47
 160 I propose that Michael be assigned the position of Treasurer. 
 161 21:23:02
 162 Etienne
 163 I propose Brian as president 
 164 21:23:03
 165 bdmc
 166 Let me change that a bit.  "I move that Michael be assigned the position of Treasurer." 
 167 21:23:24
 168 mcr
 169 OKay. 
 170 21:23:34
 171 Etienne
 172 Maybe there can be one vote for all positions if there is a conesus. 
 173 21:23:40
 174 bdmc
 175 Let's get each out of the way.  Do we want to do formal votes, or just toss a coin? 
 176 21:24:11
 177 OK.  Let's pause a moment.  All in favour of Etienne's proposal. 
 178 21:24:41
 179 ( should have had a question mark on that ) 
 180 21:24:50
 181 Aye 
 182 21:25:13
 183 sat
 184 Aye, one vote to rule them all 
 185 21:25:18
 186 mcr
 187 Ei! 
 188 21:25:18
 189 bdmc
 190 B-) 
 191 21:25:27
 192 KimNilsson
 193 Aye 
 194 21:25:46
 195 bdmc
 196 OK, Michael has accepted Treasurer. 
 197 21:26:19
 198 I would like to help as best I can.  If there is noone else who is proposed for President, I will accept. 
 199 21:27:05
 200 Etienne
 201 So, it looks as we will propose continuity ;-) 
 202 21:27:13
 203 bdmc
 204 I am very satisfied with the work that Etienne has been doing as Secretary, if he will continue to do so? 
 205 21:27:59
 206 Etienne? 
 207 21:28:06
 208 Etienne
 209 As I have no idea from programming, it's one of the only tasks I can do. 
 210 21:28:40
 211 KimNilsson
 212 Yes, continuity is what I would suggest. Etienne has definitely been the one whose name I've seen the most. So he must be doing something right. 
 213 21:28:42
 214 bdmc
 215 OK.  Aside from Vice President, what other specific roles do we want to assign? 
 216 21:29:25
 217 One that comes to mind is that of PR and Marketing.  That could be a Board position, or a Team Lead. 
 218 21:29:26
 219 mcr
 220 I would like a German member of the board (do we have one? I'm unclear) to liase formally with SecureU. 
 221 21:29:47
 222 Etienne
 223 For the board, that is all. Maybe (maybe later) a sub committee with one or two helpers for Michael? or for PR? Both can also be later this year. 
 224 21:29:53
 225 bdmc
 226 The closest would be Etienne, as far as I remember. 
 227 21:29:55
 228 mcr
 229 Etienne is Swiss, AFAIK. 
 230 21:30:16
 231 bdmc
 232 Sascha, where do you hail from? 
 233 21:30:26
 234 mcr
 235 I also am unclear what the requirements from SecureU are. 
 236 21:30:37
 237 There is an MOU, but I don't have a copy. 
 238 21:31:10
 239 Etienne
 240 sat seems to be from Germany, if I am not wrong. Sascha, aren't you? 
 241 21:31:50
 242 bdmc
 243 Have we lost him, again? 
 244 21:33:09
 245 bdmc
 246 I guess that we will cover that question later. 
 247 21:33:46
 248 sat
 249 I'm here 
 250 21:34:01
 251 bdmc
 252 KimNilsson, do you have any roles that would feel comfortable with? 
 253 21:34:47
 254 KimNilsson
 255 I've been in the support group for long, and am quite happy there. Not looking for for responsibility. Quite happy to help out with testing stuff, but can't code from scratch, but am really good at copy-pasting after googling. :-) 
 256 21:35:01
 257 bdmc
 258  B-) 
 259 21:35:06
 260 sat
 261 I don't understand what SecureU has to do with the committee 
 262 21:36:24
 263 bdmc
 264 sat: They seem to have a bank account in our name, and provide all of our hardware and Internet support. 
 265 21:37:20
 266 Etienne
 267 Someone who helps with software testing and keeps the connection to the board is great! 
 268 21:37:45
 269 bdmc
 270 mcr: One thought would be to re-direct all of the donations that are sent to that account, and send them to the Swiss EU account ( that doesn't exist yet ). 
 271 21:37:46
 272 Etienne
 273 SecureU: Not in our name, but on our behalf. 
 274 21:38:08
 275 mcr
 276 Yes, that would be great. 
 277 21:38:47
 278 bdmc
 279 Easy enough to do for new donations by changing the information on the web site. 
 280 21:38:58
 281 Etienne
 282 After the problems with Paypal, we wanted to withdraw as much money as possible. Idea: first step (now/soon): USD and AUD to a CHF account in Switzerland. Second step: EUR later to a EUR account. 
 283 21:39:19
 284 mcr
 285 Yes. 
 286 21:39:25
 287 Etienne
 288 (both from Paypal: PP-USD, PP-AUD, later PP-EUR) 
 289 21:40:39
 290 bdmc
 291 I know, I helped distract us from the task at hand.  Let's discuss this further, later. 
 292 21:40:48
 293 Back to Item 2.1 
 294 21:41:06
 295 Etienne
 296 Vice president: ....? 
 297 21:41:18
 298 bdmc
 299 Since Frederic isn't here to defend himself, do we want to offer him Vice President, or to Kim? 
 300 21:41:51
 301 Etienne
 302 Sascha, Frédéric, Waclaw? 
 303 21:42:09
 304 KimNilsson
 305 VP is the one who doesn't have to do anything unless the P stops being P, right? :-) 
 306 21:42:10
 307 bdmc
 308 sat: We asked earlier, what you might be interested in doing? 
 309 21:42:40
 310 Technically, yes, although we are all just "members of the Board." 
 311 21:42:45
 312 mcr
 313 Frederic is good for VP :-) 
 314 21:43:00
 315 Etienne
 316 KimNilsson: yes. 
 317 21:43:03
 318 mcr
 319 I mean, I think it's a good role for him. 
 320 21:43:29
 321 bdmc
 322 He is also good at paperwork, and certain types of fund-raising. 
 323 21:43:37
 324 ( finding sources ) 
 325 21:43:49
 326 I would agree with him being VP. 
 327 21:44:27
 328 I am sure that we can find tasks for everybody. 
 329 21:44:59
 330 Etienne
 331 So, let's fix it. 
 332 21:45:10
 333 sat
 334 In fact, I thought about retire from being a board member, so please do not offer me a special position. I will stay member of the board to help filling the positions. 
 335 21:45:13
 336 bdmc
 337 There are only four "named" positions, and I think that we have discussed them all. 
 338 21:45:45
 339 sat:  Oh, no.  You are a member for life!  B-) 
 340 21:46:24
 341 Etienne:  Please list the agreed positions, and we can have the confirmation vote? 
 342 21:46:30
 343 sat
 344 I'm the one who does programming work. 
 345 21:46:34
 346 Etienne
 347 Brian:pres, Frédéric:vp, Michael:treasurer; Etienne: secretary, Kim,Waclaw,Sascha: members. 
 348 21:47:02
 349 KimNilsson
 350 I'm good with that list. 
 351 21:47:19
 352 bdmc
 353 sat:  Off topic, but would you be interested in "managing" the OpenID project? 
 354 21:47:27
 355 Etienne
 356 Thank you Sascha. That is operations. President and so is just Association-Board-Stuff. 
 357 21:48:10
 358 sat
 359 bdmc: that is 2.4 
 360 21:48:52
 361 bdmc
 362 Thank you.  OK, just to formalise it, does everybody agree with the 2021-2022 Board Members list? 
 363 21:49:12
 364 KimNilsson
 365 Aye 
 366 21:49:20
 367 bdmc
 368 Aye 
 369 21:49:23
 370 sat
 371 Aye 
 372 21:49:40
 373 Etienne
 374 aye 
 375 21:50:11
 376 To speed up things, I propose to not discuss the goal list, but to put it again on the following agendas. Little by little, we will pick up one point or delete from the list. 
 377 21:50:40
 378 KimNilsson
 379 Just a technicality. bdmc - you keep referring to points in the agenda that I can't see, or rather, I don't see the numbering. I see a 2. Goals, and then a bullet list, but no 2.1, ... 2.4 and so on. 
 380 21:50:59
 381 bdmc
 382 That sounds like a plan. 
 383 21:51:22
 384 KimNilsson
 385 Etienne: I agree 
 386 21:51:25
 387 bdmc
 388 KimNilsson:  Goals is item 2.2. 
 389 21:51:52
 390 If you look up ( and left ) on the Agenda, you will see the higher-level numbers. 
 391 21:52:02
 392 Etienne
 393 Kim: 2.1: 2 is Business, 1 is Constitution (after the agenda of the last meeting everything is 2. ..... 
 394 21:52:02
 395 KimNilsson
 396 ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 
 397 21:52:07
 398 * KimNilsson slaps self 
 399 21:52:29
 400 bdmc
 401 Now, now.   No violence allowed! 
 402 21:53:00
 403 Etienne: Would you like to pick one item out of the Goals for today, or leave them all until January? 
 404 21:53:37
 405 Etienne
 406 openID is at 2.4 
 407 21:53:56
 408 mcr
 409 I agree with board list. 
 410 21:53:56
 411 bdmc
 412 Not a Goal, but a separate Agenda Item. 
 413 21:54:01
 414 mcr
 415 Got interrupted by phone! 
 416 21:54:01
 417 Etienne
 418 we can also put one of the board members on the software testing chair. 
 419 21:54:09
 420 bdmc
 421 mcr: Pesky things! 
 422 21:54:32
 423 Etienne: So you are saying leave them all until January? 
 424 21:55:44
 425 mcr
 426 . o O ( waits for agenda item 3 ) 
 427 21:55:48
 428 Etienne
 429 If they are annual goals, we don't have to talk about them every time, but keep track of the points throughout the year. Hopefully complete one or two of them beforehand or give them to someone else to take sole responsibility. 
 430 21:56:31
 431 bdmc
 432 I am going to propse that some or all of us attend the Policy Group, and discuss the "Remote Assurance" issue.  Nothing much seems to have been said there for a month or more. 
 433 21:56:39
 434 KimNilsson
 435 Remote Assurance seems like a now-now issue. But, is there already some work going on there`? 
 436 21:56:48
 437 Ah, great minds. 
 438 21:57:22
 439 bdmc
 440 Does everyone know how to become a member of Policy Group? 
 441 21:58:06
 442 Etienne
 443 go to https://lists.cacert.org/wws/info/cacert-policy and subsribe. That's all. 
 444 21:58:51
 445 mcr
 446 I suggest that we have some BBB/JITSI meetings on Policy. 
 447 21:59:09
 448 KimNilsson
 449 yes 
 450 21:59:32
 451 bdmc
 452 Thank you, Etienne and Michael.  Michael's idea sounds like an appropriate way of "testing the waters." 
 453 22:00:06
 454 OK, on to Agenda Item 2.3 -- Finance, take it away Michael. 
 455 22:01:51
 456 bdmc
 457 mcr: ??? Another phone call? 
 458 22:02:34
 459 OK.  I will move on to Agenda Item 2.4 -- our new OpenID Connect project. 
 460 22:02:48
 461 mcr
 462 hi. 
 463 22:03:00
 464 bdmc
 465 mcr: You back, or want some more time? 
 466 22:03:23
 467 mcr
 468 So, the three things I have are: 1) ongoing platform for doing finances.  There was nexterp, and we need to get it deployed. 
 469 22:03:44
 470 2) we need to have a connection to the SecureU board.  The current lack of information is in my opinion, unacceptable. 
 471 22:04:15
 472 Etienne
 473 First: (1). Then (2). 
 474 22:04:18
 475 mcr
 476 3) I'm not sure what other buttons I can push to get access to the CHF account. 
 477 22:04:37
 478 bdmc
 479 Etienne:  Let's start with 3. 
 480 22:05:00
 481 Probably just needs a private conversation between you two, but we're all here. 
 482 22:05:26
 483 mcr
 484 Yes, so Etienne needs to find out from the bank what they need to give me access, or he needs to share the credentials with me. 
 485 22:05:38
 486 bdmc
 487 Etienne:  Does the account allow for multiple people? 
 488 22:06:02
 489 Or is it a "personal" account, like mine? 
 490 22:06:20
 491 Etienne
 492 I think so. Share the access is difficult, because there is an app on your mobile phone to get access. 
 493 22:06:39
 494 I will find out how to get a second access and tell Michael by private mail. 
 495 22:07:13
 496 bdmc
 497 OK.  Next -- 
 498 22:07:44
 499 sat: Do you have a machine that will run "nexterp?"   I don't think that it should be with NextCloud. 
 500 22:08:19
 501 sat
 502 I do not have machines. They come from the infra team. 
 503 22:08:41
 504 bdmc
 505 I wasn't sure whether there was one already allocated. 
 506 22:09:10
 507 sat
 508 No, there hasn't been one allocated, I think. 
 509 22:09:16
 510 mcr
 511 Since all the equipment is owned by SecureU, I propose that we rent a machine for our nextcloud/nexterp machine. 
 512 22:09:46
 513 (not a VM, but a machine) 
 514 22:09:50
 515 sat
 516 This is a question we have to ask Jan. 
 517 22:10:07
 518 bdmc
 519 Am I forgetting, or does Jan have another, separate machine, that is not on the SecureU rack? 
 520 22:11:34
 521 bdmc
 522 OK.  We will have to chase that idea. 
 523 22:12:12
 524 mcr
 525 On that topic, we need someone who can liase with SecureU. 
 526 22:12:28
 527 bdmc
 528 Etienne: I know that you and Dirk have been talking lately.  Have you discussed that idea? 
 529 22:12:55
 530 Etienne
 531 no, not. We can do it. 
 532 22:13:28
 533 bdmc
 534 If I remember correctly, there was the idea that someone could join that organisation to help them with paperwork. 
 535 22:14:14
 536 ( since we hear that that is a problem -- that have a lot of work, but no time to keep up with the finances and other support roles ) 
 537 22:14:50
 538 Etienne
 539 If someone from us, preferably German-speaking, were also on the board of SecureU, cooperation would probably be much easier - just like in the past. 
 540 22:15:39
 541 bdmc
 542 mcr: I know that you talked about people that you know in Germany.  Have you pursued that idea? 
 543 22:15:59
 544 mcr
 545 Yes, I did ask two people. 
 546 22:16:04
 547 It was a long shot. 
 548 22:16:14
 549 bdmc
 550 Agreed 
 551 22:16:25
 552 mcr
 553 They felt that they didn't have the right skill set, was going to ask some other people. 
 554 22:16:50
 555 One is expatriot Canadian. 
 556 22:17:28
 557 bdmc
 558 OK.  How be that, along with the other things that you two are going to be talking about, Etienne and Michael work on this further. 
 559 22:17:55
 560 mcr
 561 yes. 
 562 22:17:56
 563 bdmc
 564 Please let the rest of us know, in the Board Private Mailing List, if you need anything from us. 
 565 22:18:30
 566 Speaking of which, do all of the Board Members have write access to that List? 
 567 22:18:52
 568 mcr
 569 looking at agenda, I have access to Nextcloud, but not wiki, or I'd update the agenda table :-) 
 570 22:19:08
 571 Etienne
 572 see 2.8. <!> = I asked to gero to ad that person. 
 573 22:19:30
 574 bdmc
 575 I just saw it after I asked! 
 576 22:19:35
 577 Etienne
 578 x = no, not // ? = unknown 
 579 22:20:20
 580 bdmc
 581 I really need to work on my NextCloud access.  I have an account, but can't get there. 
 582 22:20:58
 583 OK, we are done with Finance, I think.  Shall we move on? 
 584 22:21:37
 585 Item 2.4 -- OpenID Connect 
 586 22:22:04
 587 sat: I asked a question earlier, and you pointed at this item.  Are you interested in Project Management? 
 588 22:22:09
 589 sat
 590 Regarding remote assurances, I remember something that Dirk said: We would have to adapt the assurance part on the website and add some flag to the database for that. Which leads to the question who is gonna change the software and who is gonna test it. Which in turn leads to the point that we have not enough programming members that have passed background check. 
 591 22:22:09
 592 This gets even more difficult for our OpenID goal. 
 593 22:23:22
 594 Etienne
 595 Background Checks can be done in relativly short time. We can ask it at 2.5. 
 596 22:23:33
 597 bdmc
 598 Agreed.  That is why we are trying to urge the Background Check team to get more people processed, particularly in QA / QC. 
 599 22:24:08
 600 Etienne: Except that we have had three candidates for the past three months, and nothing has happened. 
 601 22:25:07
 602 sat
 603 Another thing I might remember regarding OpenID: Jan had some idead how this could be implemented or even had some software ready for testing. 
 604 22:25:37
 605 bdmc
 606 Both Dirk and Jan have worked on this, and we plan on using their work to build on. 
 607 22:25:44
 608 sat
 609 Yeag 
 610 22:25:47
 611 yeah 
 612 22:26:23
 613 so we are in need of programmers who can review the code 
 614 22:26:46
 615 bdmc
 616 Test, Review, Approve. 
 617 22:26:55
 618 mcr
 619 no, we need assured programmers who can review code. 
 620 22:27:12
 621 bdmc
 622 True 
 623 22:27:13
 624 Etienne
 625 Absolutely. To accompany a project on the part of the board does not mean to do everything yourself, maybe to help or maybe just to be a liaison and the reviewer. 
 626 22:27:57
 627 Until it is programmed, sat can do the background check. 
 628 22:28:35
 629 bdmc
 630 Etienne: Add him to the list of candidates? 
 631 22:29:56
 632 bdmc
 633 We can definitely do that.  I don't think that the Project Manager necessarily needs to be BBC-approved.  He isn't handling code, or doesn't need to be, but managing the process. 
 634 22:30:16
 635 Etienne
 636 Would you like to be background checked, sat? 
 637 22:30:58
 638 sat
 639 Let's say if I need to, I would not refuse. 
 640 22:31:20
 641 For reviewing this might not be necessary. 
 642 22:31:28
 643 Etienne
 644 In a long term view, we need a lot of BBC people. 
 645 22:31:42
 646 bdmc
 647 I completely agree. 
 648 22:31:47
 649 sat
 650 be right back 
 651 22:32:15
 652 bdmc
 653 OK, I was already going to contact Ted about this.  I will add sat to his list of candidates, at the end. 
 654 22:32:50
 655 mcr
 656 good. 
 657 22:32:59
 658 bdmc
 659 Now, looking at the Agenda, I don't see anything more for us to do, other than Question Time. 
 660 22:33:13
 661 mcr
 662 I would like to be assured / background checked to be able to review code. 
 663 22:33:22
 664 bdmc
 665 Will do. 
 666 22:33:23
 667 mcr
 668 I think that's hard, I have only 30 points so far. 
 669 22:33:49
 670 bdmc
 671 They are separate processes. 
 672 22:33:57
 673 Etienne
 674 Whats is the town you live in? 
 675 22:34:21
 676 bdmc
 677 Ottawa 
 678 22:35:00
 679 Or is it actually Kanata, or one of the others? 
 680 22:35:28
 681 mcr
 682 I already got assured by the fellow in Kanata :-) 
 683 22:35:34
 684 It's all Ottawa (2.0) these days. 
 685 22:36:02
 686 Etienne
 687 https://secure.cacert.org/wot.php?id=1&ccid=40 
 688 22:36:05
 689 mcr
 690 https://www.sandelman.ca/mcr/address.txt 
 691 22:36:21
 692 sat
 693 Question regarding the 2,8 access table: 
 694 22:36:26
 695 bdmc
 696 OK.  I may have to come North to get my NEXXUS renewed in the next few months. 
 697 22:37:11
 698 sat: Yes, how can we help? 
 699 22:37:15
 700 KimNilsson
 701 Netcloud > Nextcloud 
 702 22:37:15
 703 mcr
 704 Firefox, with my cacert keys and cacert trust anchors installed says: Secure Connection Failed 
 705 22:37:15
 706 An error occurred during a connection to secure.cacert.org. SSL peer was unable to negotiate an acceptable set of security parameters. 
 707 22:37:43
 708 sat
 709 Kim and Waclaw do not have an account yet. Etienne might have one, I don't remember now. 
 710 22:38:06
 711 Anyone who has one and has problems? 
 712 22:38:12
 713 Brian? 
 714 22:38:23
 715 Etienne
 716 mcr: go to www.cacert.org, log in, then follow the link. 
 717 22:38:35
 718 bdmc
 719 My problem is network connectivity, not account issues. 
 720 22:39:29
 721 Etienne
 722 oh, yes, I have (tried it at work without x - to bad) 
 723 22:40:20
 724 KimNilsson
 725 Nextcloud login page displays fine for me. Windows 10, Chrome, CAcert certs installed, of course. 
 726 22:40:51
 727 sat
 728 KimNilsson: If you want to have an account, please contact me with your email that you like to use for it. 
 729 22:41:30
 730 Same for Waclaw. 
 731 22:41:46
 732 KimNilsson
 733 ok 
 734 22:44:04
 735 bdmc
 736 Looks as if that is done. 
 737 22:44:23
 738 Any General Questions for the Board for Question Time? 
 739 22:45:17
 740 mcr
 741 okay, I have to change to go out. I can't reach secure.cacert.org 
 742 22:45:19
 743 openssl s_client -CAfile /corp/network/cacert/root_X0F.crt -connect 
 744 22:45:35
 745 openssl s_client -CAfile /corp/network/cacert/root_X0F.crt -connect secure.cacert.org:443 
 746 22:45:56
 747 bdmc
 748 In that case, I will suggest that we are done for today.  See you all in January, and have a great December! 
 749 22:45:58
 750 mcr
 751 give me an alert. Firefox can't connect. 
 752 22:46:51
 753 bdmc
 754 mcr: Silly question, but you have the current Class 1 and Class 3, don't you? 
 755 22:47:00
 756 mcr
 757 I just downloaded them to be sure. 
 758 22:47:27
 759 bdmc
 760 Do you have another browser? 
 761 22:47:52
 762 mcr
 763 sure, but it doesn't have the anchirs, and it doesn't have my cacert loaded. 
 764 22:48:00
 765 bdmc
 766 Good point. 
 767 22:48:15
 768 Good point. 
 769 22:48:48
 770 mcr
 771 I see the certificate expired Nov.29. 
 772 22:48:55
 773 bdmc
 774 Unfortunately, I seem to be able to get in with both Chrome and Firefox.  ( Hmmm.  I am running Linux, and I know that you aren't, but that shouldn't matter. ) 
 775 22:49:52
 776 Hmmm.  Let me try now.  Just did a certificate login, successfully.   Darn? 
 777 22:50:17
 778 Anyway, you said that you were leaving.   Send e-mail when you want to work together, if I can help/ 
 779 22:50:21
 780 mcr
 781 fixed. 
 782 22:50:25
 783 bdmc
 784 Good. 
 785 22:50:29
 786 mcr
 787 my certificate expired. 
 788 22:50:47
 789 It's very bad that I get a stupid error that does not tell me anything.  It's firefox's fault. 
 790 22:50:48
 791 bdmc
 792 That happens every once in a while. 
 793 22:51:05
 794 mcr
 795 I had already renewed it, but I hadn't imported it to firefox. 
 796 22:51:46
 797 bdmc
 798 Anyway.  As I said earlier, I hereby call this meeting closed.   Have a good Christmas, all! 
 799 22:52:42
 800 KimNilsson
 801 Same to you all. 
 802 22:52:44
 803 sat
 804 Thank you all. 
 805 22:53:27
 806 Etienne
 807 thank you and good bye 
 808 22:53:35
 809 ⓘ sat s'appelle désormais sat|away 
 810 22:54:03
 811 KimNilsson
 812 I'm now on Nextcloud. It initially gave a weird error, but on third try it let me in. I have now set a nice long pass and added my Yubikey. So I think I'm good. 
 813 23:36:14
 814 KimNilsson
 815 Leaving here. Idling in main # only. 
 816 23:41:24
 817 ← KimNilsson est parti du salon  
 818 8 Utilisateurs
 819 
 820     bdmc
 821     egal
 822     egal_on_server
 823     Etienne
 824     mcr
 825     nemunaire
 826     sat|away
 827     ynazarov
 828 
 829 Etienne