1 Committee meeting - 2021-11-04 - IRC log
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   3 bdmc
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   5 Good Morning Dirk, Etienne, Frederic and Sascha.
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   7 21:57:56
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   9 Good Evening Mitch.
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  11 21:58:09
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  13 MitchMaifeld
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  15 Greetings!
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  19 Etienne
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  21 Good Morning, bdmc, egal, FD, sat, MitchMaifeld
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  23 21:59:41
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  25 bdmc
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  27 It is a soggy, grey day here in North Carolina. My phone says that it is 7 degrees.
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  31 Waiting.....
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  33 22:00:15
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  35 And it is now 20:00 UTC.
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  39 Etienne
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  41 https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2021-11-04
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  43 22:00:35
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  45 bdmc
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  47 I hereby call this meeting of the Board ( Committee ) of CAcert, Inc. to order.
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  49 22:01:31
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  51 As usual, I would like to make this as short as possible, but cover everything that needs to be covered.
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  53 22:01:47
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  55 → pnunn est entré
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  57 22:01:53
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  59 bdmc
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  61 Etienne, I looked at the Agenda earlier, and again now, and am not sure what I am seeing.
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  63 22:02:01
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  65 Greetings and welcome Peter.
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  67 22:02:06
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  69 pnunn
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  71 Morning all.
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  75 Etienne
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  77 Good morning pnunn
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  79 22:02:40
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  81 bdmc
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  83 However, I will move on and ask whether there is anything in either of the mailing lists that we need to discuss.
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  85 22:03:31
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  87 FD
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  89 Hi! We have the live temporary notepad to keep track of the minutes here: https://nextcloud.cacert.org/s/k2zQANbBJys3nfY
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  91 22:03:52
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  93 bdmc
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  95 Nothing heard.
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  99 Has everybody had a chance to look at last month's Minutes?
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 103 FD
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 105 We have the audio-video channel, in parallel to the classical IRC channel, here: https://conference.germanywestcentral.cloudapp.azure.com/b/ber-n8r-r5b-a1v
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 107 22:04:54
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 109 Etienne
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 111 https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2021-11-04#Minutes
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 113 22:05:04
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 115 pnunn
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 117 Thanks Etienne, was about to ask :{
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 121 My eamil search foo isn't good at this time of day :)
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 125 bdmc
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 127 That is, of course, the Minutes section of this month's Agenda, but you can find the Agenda from that.
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 131 May I have a motion to accept last month's minutes?
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 135 Etienne
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 137 https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2021-10-07#Minutes
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 141 pnunn
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 143 I move we accept last months minutes.
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 145 22:07:36
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 147 FD
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 149 I second
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 153 bdmc
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 155 Thank you, Peter.
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 159 Etienne
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 161 aye
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 165 FD
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 167 yes
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 171 bdmc
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 173 All in favour?
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 177 pnunn
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 179 aye
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 183 bdmc
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 185 aye
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 189 mcr: Are you actually here, or just your machine?
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 193 Silence. B-)
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 197 OK, it appears that we have a majority approving of last month's minutes.
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 201 FD
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 203 In fact, the minutes from the last meeting (2020-10-07) have had been written on the fly and made available immediatly..
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 207 Etienne
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 209 Thank you Frédéric!
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 213 bdmc
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 215 As you will all see from the Agenda, we don't have much pre-arranged, but will consider today's meeting an extra-long Question Period.
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 219 Does anybody have any issues that they would like to bring before the Board?
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 223 Etienne
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 225 Who is responsible for the project, the funding for which has now been secured?
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 229 bdmc
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 231 Remember that the AGM is one week from Saturday.
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 235 pnunn
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 237 Not an issues as such, but, as this is my last board meeting, I'd like to take the opportunity to put in the minutes my thanks for all of your time and friendship over the past few years, and hope that CACert continues to move forward, as I'm sure it will, under Brian's direction into the future. Its been fun.
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 241 bdmc
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 243 pnunn: I should point out that you can't get away that easily. We still expect your continuing participation in CAcert, in other ways. B-)
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 247 Etienne
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 249 Thank you Peter. And I hope we can continue to count on you when we need a trusted person in Australia.
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 253 pnunn
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 255 Time permitting @bdmc. I have back to back meetings today from the end of this one until 6pm :( (most days are not this bad).
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 259 bdmc
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 261 However, Peter does raise an important point. At this time we have no candidates for the election next weekend.
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 265 pnunn
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 267 Of course @Etienne, I'm not moving any time soon :)
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 271 mcr
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 273 hi. I'm here.
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 277 bdmc
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 279 We can simply ask for nominations and volunteers "from the floor," but usually we have advertised the need for candidates before now. I have neglected that item this year.
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 283 pnunn
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 285 In tha case, I would like to nominate Brian -> President, Frédéric-> Vice President, Etienne -> Secretary and hope they will accept the nominations.
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 289 mcr
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 291 Bad news: I was distracted and lost track of the time. Good news: I found the bug I've been looking for two days.
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 295 bdmc
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 297 mcr: I know that satisfaction well!
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 299 22:16:49
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 301 mcr
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 303 pnunn: no good deed will go unpunished :-)
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 307 bdmc
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 309 I would like to also nominate our current, and continuing, Treasurer, Michael Richardson.
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 313 mcr
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 315 I will accept.
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 319 bdmc
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 321 Although I sometimes feel less useful than I would like, I will also accept Peter's nomination.
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 325 mcr
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 327 How big is the board? Minimum? Maximum?
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 329 22:18:16
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 331 I'm wondering if there are bushes I can beat for volunteers.
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 333 22:18:48
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 335 pnunn
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 337 There will be aleast one vacant position @mcr :)
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 339 22:18:57
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 341 bdmc
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 343 With the move from Australia, there is not the forced requirement for two Australians. In any case, as my memory fails me, I think that seven is the number.
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 347 Etienne, I know that your memory is better than mine.
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 349 22:19:57
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 351 pnunn
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 353 @FD, @Etienne??
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 355 22:20:23
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 357 bdmc
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 359 sat: Are you present?
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 361 22:20:31
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 363 Etienne
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 365 yes, seven members. nominations have to be seconded ;-)
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 369 bdmc
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 371 But also accepted.
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 375 pnunn
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 377 I second @mcr
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 381 bdmc
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 383 And I definitely second Etienne and Frederic.
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 385 22:21:45
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 387 mcr
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 389 Some boards have rules like, "any odd number from 5 to 9" to allow boards to grow/shrink.
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 391 22:22:55
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 393 bdmc
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 395 mcr: That has been how we have certainly operated ( by necessity ) in the past. Generally, we hold the AGM, see how many were elected, and fill in the missing seats shortly thereafter by volunteering people.
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 397 22:23:16
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 399 Etienne
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 401 This will also become similar in the next statue revision. At the moment we still have the old, rigid ones according to NewSouthWales specifications.
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 405 If we have >7, we create sub committees, if we have <7, one post remains vacant ;-)
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 409 FD
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 411 Of course, I second with pleasure and confidence Michael, Brian and Etienne. I think that we should nominate Dirk as well, as he is a key person at CAcert.
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 415 bdmc
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 417 Since Dirk is the person who got me on the Board in the first place, I would be happy to nominate him, but I suspect that he will still refuse.
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 419 22:25:20
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 421 pnunn
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 423 With the current rules, can he be on the board and still hold his current positions?
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 425 22:25:30
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 427 Etienne
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 429 Dirk was on the board. But that is not compatible with the functions he has. Besides, I think he has too much on his plate as it is.
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 431 22:26:01
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 433 bdmc
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 435 I would also like to nominate Sascha, even though he seems to be missing.
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 437 22:26:37
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 439 Etienne
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 441 We should try to involve sat and Guy more. They are good people! I'm working on Guy (for OrgA), but it takes time...
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 443 22:26:53
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 445 bdmc
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 447 I agree.
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 449 22:27:01
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 451 Etienne
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 453 I second for Sascha
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 455 22:27:56
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 457 FD
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 459 I would nominate Wacław Schiller as well.
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 461 22:29:54
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 463 pnunn
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 465 Do we have a second for FD? I've missed it if we do.
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 467 22:30:04
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 469 bdmc
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 471 I don't really know anything about him. Does anybody other than Frederic?
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 473 22:30:12
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 475 mcr
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 477 I will second nomination for FD.
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 479 22:30:32
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 481 FD
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 483 Wacław Schiller is a member of our finance team.
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 485 22:30:38
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 487 Etienne
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 489 I accept my nomination and second for Waclaw.
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 491 22:30:43
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 493 mcr
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 495 I guess the entire board is re-elected every year, and the terms are one year. (vs having half the board elected on two year terms)
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 497 22:31:30
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 499 bdmc
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 501 Correct. That might be something to propose, as a modification, in the Policy Group.
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 503 22:31:52
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 505 pnunn
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 507 I think its dictated by the NSW rules of association to be that at the moment.
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 509 22:33:06
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 511 bdmc
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 513 That is a perfect opportunity to ask:
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 515 22:33:09
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 517 Etienne
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 519 Our statutes must become simpler and leaner. This is a project of the Secretary. He works on it whenever there is nothing more important at CAcert.
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 521 22:33:12
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 523 mcr
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 525 When did we formally move from NSW?
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 527 22:33:18
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 529 2019? 2020? 2021?
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 531 22:33:35
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 533 bdmc
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 535 Etienne: How are the meetings with the lawyers going?
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 537 22:33:45
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 539 mcr: 2021-ish
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 541 22:33:51
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 543 mcr
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 545 Etienne reformatting the bylaws sounds like a good beer-mediated group activity!
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 547 22:34:37
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 549 Etienne
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 551 That is a question of perspective. From a Swiss perspective, we have been in Switzerland since the end of last year. Formally, we are still waiting for the last stamp to be definitively released from the register in NSW.
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 553 22:35:09
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 555 Offically, we say, we are now a Swiss Association.
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 557 22:35:34
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 559 bdmc
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 561 But we still have a toe in the Australian waters.
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 563 22:36:59
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 565 pnunn
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 567 About as much as you'd want in Australian waters at the moment, someone might shoot it off with a nuclear sub.
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 569 22:37:35
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 571 bdmc
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 573 Etienne: Would it be possible, as part of the final announcement of the AGM, to the members, to include a call for volunteers and nominations? They could be presented as coming "from the floor."
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 575 22:37:47
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 577 Etienne
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 579 Of course.
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 581 22:38:03
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 583 bdmc
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 585 pnunn: Are you still locked up at home?
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 587 22:38:33
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 589 pnunn
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 591 No, we are now free to roam @bdmc as long as we are double vaxed.
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 593 22:38:50
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 595 bdmc
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 597 A mixed blessing, right?
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 599 22:38:53
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 601 pnunn
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 603 But... given I work from here anway.. not much has changed.
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 605 22:39:09
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 607 Indeed, best to stay close while the numbers climb.
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 611 bdmc
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 613 True. My life over the past couple of years has been barely affected.
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 615 22:39:43
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 617 OK, any other nominations, or should we find a different topic?
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 619 22:39:45
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 621 mcr
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 623 I feel like singing the song about how the buffalo roam.
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 625 22:39:54
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 627 pnunn
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 629 :)
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 631 22:42:08
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 633 bdmc
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 635 Nothing heard. Do we want to talk about the current topic in Policy Group, or the item in our Questions? The whole question about dealing with "long distance" Assurances, or "dead" Assurers.
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 637 22:43:45
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 639 pnunn
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 641 It is an interesting one here, I suspect if asked, the "dead" Assurers would be happy to meet a candidate and assure them, but weather they would put much effort into it is questionable.
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 643 22:44:30
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 645 Etienne
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 647 I find the question of the "dead" Assurians very tricky. If we throw them out, the community will become smaller. We don't know why they are "dead" at the moment. One year after the simple certificate creation process is up and running again, things might look completely different.
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 649 22:44:37
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 651 mcr
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 653 Etienne: about getting access to CHF account....
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 655 22:45:06
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 657 What are "dead" Assurers?
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 659 22:45:29
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 661 pnunn
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 663 Good point too @Etienne.
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 665 22:46:12
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 667 Etienne
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 669 Dead asssurers are people on the assurer list not answering.
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 671 22:46:18
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 673 bdmc
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 675 mcr: There are a proportion of people listed as available Assurers in our database that have not been heard of, or heard from, for years.
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 679 mcr
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 681 thank you for the explanation.
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 683 22:46:29
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 685 Etienne
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 687 Last week I answered a question from last year on Wikipedia. Am I now "dead", "alive" or "resurrected"?
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 689 22:47:52
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 691 pnunn
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 693 I don't think there is an issues leaving sleeping dogs lie. If were not asked to remove someone, the assumption is they are happy to stay.
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 695 22:48:22
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 697 Etienne
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 699 Someone contacts an assurer and gets no answer. He complains. Maybe the e-mail address is no longer valid, the other person is no longer active, sick, overworked, on holiday, working overtime? We do not know.
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 703 bdmc
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 705 As long as they haven't just "dropped out" without telling any body.
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 707 22:48:44
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 709 mcr
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 711 more like they are Zombies rather than Dead.
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 715 bdmc
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 717 Good point.
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 719 22:49:05
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 721 pnunn
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 723 There will be a proportion who don't even remember who CACert is @bdmc, no doubt about that.
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 727 I have to admit, I've not been contacted by anyone wanting Assurance for serveral decades.
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 731 Etienne
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 733 It was suggested to write to everyone and delete those who do not respond. But then the register would become so small that we would no longer need to offer a register. With opt-in we should exept about 3% answers. That means Register with 4000 assurers world wide becomes 120 world wide.
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 735 22:51:35
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 737 bdmc
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 739 The other half of that issue is getting new people assured when they are not in the near vicinity of an active Assurer, or the two of them do not want to meet in person. Aside from the conversation in Policy Group, Mitch and I were talking about this yesterday, and there are certainly issues raised by this problem.
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 741 22:51:41
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 743 mcr
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 745 Is this an action (contacting people and deleting them) that we ought to pass a resolution about?
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 747 22:52:25
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 749 Etienne
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 751 I am not sure if the register belongs to us (Inc) or the community.
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 753 22:52:36
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 755 bdmc
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 757 I would suggest that this is something that we can pass off to the "new Board." !!
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 759 22:52:47
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 761 Etienne
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 763 +1
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 765 22:52:48
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 767 mcr
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 769 bdmc, could we pass a resolution endorsing some remote assurer process, as an interim and emergency measure, due the pandemic, and expiring, say, March 2023?
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 771 22:53:14
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 773 pnunn
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 775 Its tricky, one would assume with the technology we have now a face to face meeting could be avoided, but, with the technology we have now, can you really be sure the image you talk too is infact them.. sigh.
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 777 22:54:01
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 779 bdmc
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 781 Those are both exactly some of the issues being raised.
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 783 22:54:57
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 785 Then there is also the question of the Assurer "possessing" the Assured's government documents, rather than just holding them for a few seconds and handing them back, as is the procedure today.
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 787 22:56:09
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 789 bdmc
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 791 I suggest that we all look in the Policy Group, and contribute there.
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 793 22:56:33
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 795 That mailing list is open to all who wish to participate.
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 799 Etienne
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 801 https://lists.cacert.org/wws/info/cacert-policy
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 803 22:57:49
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 805 bdmc
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 807 Is there more to discuss on any topic, or would anybody object to finishing this meeting very early?
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 809 22:57:53
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 811 Etienne
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 813 Are we talking propositions/ideas for 2021/2022?
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 815 22:58:29
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 817 bdmc
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 819 I am open to any topic, here.
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 821 22:58:44
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 823 mcr
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 825 pnunn, as a temporary measure (during these "unprecedented times") , and with fewer assurer points involved. Who is objecting? And what would they propose? Because if we don't fix this, then cacert might as well just stop.
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 829 @bdmc, is there a list of resolutions for next week? If there is, then I'll go read it.
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 833 bdmc
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 835 I don't know of any. That is an Etienne thing, though.
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 839 mcr
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 841 If we aren't going to do something at the AGM to deal with the arbitration/assurer/etc. problem, then what?
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 843 22:59:53
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 845 pnunn
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 847 @mcr, we have used that thinking already for the ABC issue, so I don't personally have a problem with it at all.
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 849 23:01:18
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 851 bdmc
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 853 mcr: To me, that is more of a Policy Group issue, which is "Community," rather than a CAcert Inc. Board issue.
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 857 mcr
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 859 ABC => Abitrated Background Check, I'm told, right? And it's been replaced by...?
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 861 23:01:34
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 863 Etienne
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 865 This is IMHO not a topic for the AGM, but for the board. The AGM deals budget, last year's finances, elections and statutes. It can be discussed, but then it goes to board or policy group.
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 867 23:01:59
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 869 Beside the "dead" assureres, I see six more topics.
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 871 23:02:14
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 873 pnunn
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 875 @mcr, by a modified ABC.
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 877 23:02:15
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 879 mcr
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 881 @bdmc, there isn't a Community. The Policy Group AFAIK, is not the committee of the board as a whole.
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 883 23:02:26
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 885 bdmc
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 887 mcr: the "new" Background Check. ( Community Background Check was one of the names )
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 889 23:02:46
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 891 mcr
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 893 so, we solved the ABC problem via the CBC. Cool.
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 895 23:03:22
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 897 pnunn
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 899 Temporarily I think isn't it?
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 901 23:04:03
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 903 bdmc
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 905 mcr: Sorry. CAcert is two symbiotic entities, the CAcert Community, which is the bulk of the membership, and CAcert, Inc. which is the financial and executive, and formally recognized, organisation.
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 907 23:04:08
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 909 mcr
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 911 @Etienne, in most organizations, the members, at the AGM, can change any part of the bylaws they want. Sometimes that takes more than one General Meeting, but basically, the Members trump all the other policies, because the Members write those policies.
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 913 23:04:59
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 915 Unless the CAcert Community is a legal entity with a distinct set of bylaws, it's just the members.
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 917 23:05:16
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 919 If the CAcert Community doesn't show up to the AGM, then they don't get a say.
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 921 23:05:25
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 923 bdmc
 924 
 925 There are only a few dozen members of CAcert Inc.
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 927 23:05:45
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 929 CAcert has a somewhat weird organization.
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 933 mcr
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 935 We happen to be very courteous to our members (compared to the board of IBM... but)
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 937 23:06:18
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 939 bdmc
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 941 ( What I mean is that there are two distinct sets of "members." )
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 943 23:07:10
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 945 Etienne
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 947 The community are 360 000 people with no legal status. They asked the association (us) to run on their behalf the infrastructure. Policy Group is the "parliament" of the community.
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 949 23:07:26
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 951 mcr
 952 
 953 What I mean, is that, we (the board of directors) has a legal mandate and obligation to fix the issues. We can't delegate to some nebulous community. Of course, we can consult.
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 955 23:07:42
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 957 Etienne
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 959 The associaction has only a few members (hard core community members, if you want).
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 961 23:09:10
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 963 Etienne
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 965 But if policies are concerned, we can only start a discussion at policy group and Policy group will vote at the end of the discussion. Of course, we are also member of Policy group.
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 967 23:09:51
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 969 That is what we did to move to Europe. It tooks some weeks. ;-)
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 971 23:12:09
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 973 Etienne
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 975 I heard here: topics to be resolved in the next month if possible: A. dead assurers and B. Assurance by video conference. We can put it on the "wish list" for the new board. I have sme other topics:
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 977 23:12:13
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 979 1. push OrgA (Guy)
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 981 23:12:13
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 983 2. expand PR (Alex cannot do this, wants to hand over)
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 985 23:12:13
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 987 3. software testing (very important)
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 989 23:12:13
 990 
 991 4. support SecureU (find an active board member for them in Germany)
 992 
 993 23:12:13
 994 
 995 5. expand background check
 996 
 997 23:12:13
 998 
 999 6. Simple certificate creation (this enables the start of various projects from the pipeline)
1000 
1001 23:12:54
1002 
1003 bdmc
1004 
1005 mcr: Weren't you talking about number 4 recently?
1006 
1007 23:13:10
1008 
1009 Etienne
1010 
1011 Things always move forward where someone takes up the cause and finds comrades-in-arms. Then he usually finds support from the board and also from the policy group, if necessary.
1012 
1013 23:14:58
1014 
1015 Etienne
1016 
1017 mcr would legitimately like more information about the money that secureU manages for us. For this, however, secureU needs a treasurer again. Not Dirk, who also does this on the side. We have more contacts in Germany than secureU. Maybe we can find someone interested?
1018 
1019 23:15:37
1020 
1021 mcr
1022 
1023 @Etienne, I'm asking for a resolution stating our intent to fix the process, be presented at the AGM, and that an email about this goes to the Policy Group now.
1024 
1025 23:16:40
1026 
1027 bdmc
1028 
1029 Etienne: I suggest that dead assurers is much less important than "remote assurances." If we have a method that allows people to do assurances from the other side of the country, not having somebody in the same town becomes much less important.
1030 
1031 23:16:58
1032 
1033 mcr
1034 
1035 agreed with above.
1036 
1037 23:17:20
1038 
1039 FD
1040 
1041 agreed with above, too.
1042 
1043 23:17:25
1044 
1045 mcr
1046 
1047 I'd be also find with remote assurances being limited to people within the same country, who would know what a local passport looks like.
1048 
1049 23:17:27
1050 
1051 Etienne
1052 
1053 I understand that, mcr. But at the moment it is explicitly excluded by a policy. You can start the discussion today at Policygroup to change that. I can send you the relevant §§ after the meeting.
1054 
1055 23:17:37
1056 
1057 mcr
1058 
1059 @Etienne, thank you.
1060 
1061 23:19:05
1062 
1063 bdmc
1064 
1065 Another item for the "new" Board, although more for a Team Lead, would be the RIPE NCC grant and project.
1066 
1067 23:20:24
1068 
1069 mcr
1070 
1071 I offered to review the SecureU bank statements and produce a P&L and Balance sheet.
1072 
1073 23:20:33
1074 
1075 That could be passed to someone in Germany.
1076 
1077 23:21:21
1078 
1079 Etienne
1080 
1081 mcr, I will get in touch with Dirk and tell you.
1082 
1083 23:21:44
1084 
1085 bdmc, Who is responsible for the ripe ncc project?
1086 
1087 23:23:10
1088 
1089 bdmc
1090 
1091 Etienne: exactly what I said, too. At present, the closest responsible person would be Frederic. In fact, he might be the best person for the "administrative" parts of the project.
1092 
1093 23:24:18
1094 
1095 bdmc
1096 
1097 FD: I don't know if this is the time, or maybe the AGM would be better, but would you accept the role of Project Manager for that project?
1098 
1099 23:25:17
1100 
1101 Etienne
1102 
1103 Richard
1104 
1105 23:25:29
1106 
1107 * mcr me?
1108 
1109 23:25:36
1110 
1111 bdmc
1112 
1113 Etienne: ??? Richard?
1114 
1115 23:25:38
1116 
1117 mcr
1118 
1119 people sometimes call me Richard, rather than Richardsdon.
1120 
1121 23:25:56
1122 
1123 especially my grade 11 french teacher, who failed "Michael", because she thought I was Richard.
1124 
1125 23:25:59
1126 
1127 FD
1128 
1129 I would consider you, Brian, as being the most skilled and experienced to lead the development of the OpenID Connect project.
1130 
1131 23:26:01
1132 
1133 Etienne
1134 
1135 sorry, nothing,
1136 
1137 23:26:26
1138 
1139 bdmc
1140 
1141 FD: I'm not talking about the Technical Lead position, but the adminstrative.
1142 
1143 23:27:00
1144 
1145 ( grrr "adminstrative should be administrative" )
1146 
1147 23:27:54
1148 
1149 FD
1150 
1151 You know Brian, I am more on the side of writting together with you grant applications. I do not see a specific work to be done with that grant on the side of any "administrative duty" from know. We have to deliver a software feature, this is mainly this.
1152 
1153 23:28:37
1154 
1155 bdmc
1156 
1157 FD: Remember that RIPE expects some kind of progress reports, and there is also disbursement of the money to various people.
1158 
1159 23:29:49
1160 
1161 mcr
1162 
1163 So, I will be happy to manage disbursements, once I have access to the CHF/EUR account at the GKB.
1164 
1165 23:29:52
1166 
1167 FD
1168 
1169 I am sure you will be better than me, Brian, to dispatch the money, together with the help of Michael.
1170 
1171 23:30:30
1172 
1173 mcr
1174 
1175 progress reports are also rather easy, once I know what work is going to happen. Who is gonna get paid for this project? (I assume that we knew that part already)
1176 
1177 23:30:47
1178 
1179 bdmc
1180 
1181 OK. We can discuss this further, and not mention it, except as reporting the fact, in the AGM.
1182 
1183 23:31:18
1184 
1185 FD
1186 
1187 Etienne, could you open a EUR account at the GKB, too? It makes no sense to receive euros, getting them converted to CHF, then to pay in euros, does it?
1188 
1189 23:31:21
1190 
1191 bdmc
1192 
1193 mcr: No, not specifically. I have some ideas, according to the budget that we submitted with the application.
1194 
1195 23:31:41
1196 
1197 mcr
1198 
1199 What's our deadline with RIPE to get the work done?
1200 
1201 23:31:56
1202 
1203 or more specifically, how slow can we be without losing the money :-)
1204 
1205 23:32:19
1206 
1207 bdmc
1208 
1209 My memory, vague as it is, is the end of our fiscal year.
1210 
1211 23:32:50
1212 
1213 Possibly a bit sooner.
1214 
1215 23:33:44
1216 
1217 mcr
1218 
1219 okay. I won't do the hiring or searching for people, but I could do the project management and disbursment and reports if necessary.
1220 
1221 23:33:53
1222 
1223 FD
1224 
1225 Very good.
1226 
1227 23:34:07
1228 
1229 mcr
1230 
1231 I need to do some other work now, but I'll be on the computer for awhile longer.
1232 
1233 23:34:23
1234 
1235 bdmc
1236 
1237 OK. We need to deal with this, but not in the next week.
1238 
1239 23:34:26
1240 
1241 Etienne
1242 
1243 Timeline and important milestones
1244 
1245 23:34:26
1246 
1247 November 2020 - February 2021:
1248 
1249 23:34:26
1250 
1251 ◦ Design and implementation of integration with OpenID Connect protocol.
1252 
1253 23:34:26
1254 
1255 March 2021 - April 2021:
1256 
1257 23:34:26
1258 
1259 ◦ Further testing and delivery of OpenID Connect protocol implementation.
1260 
1261 23:34:55
1262 
1263 FD
1264 
1265 I would need to leave as well, if you would agree?
1266 
1267 23:35:05
1268 
1269 bdmc
1270 
1271 Oh, well. We missed all of our deadlines. B-)
1272 
1273 23:35:10
1274 
1275 Etienne
1276 
1277 bdmc what about the annual report?
1278 
1279 23:35:29
1280 
1281 bdmc
1282 
1283 Yes, I have started that. When do you need it?
1284 
1285 23:36:26
1286 
1287 Etienne
1288 
1289 2021-10-30 (by the statutes, to be sent to the members) or next week (just for the AGM, as in some other years)
1290 
1291 23:37:07
1292 
1293 bdmc
1294 
1295 Sorry. I didn't get that message. I should have it to you by the beginning of next week.
1296 
1297 23:37:19
1298 
1299 Etienne
1300 
1301 Did you get the mail with the blog spots?
1302 
1303 23:37:39
1304 
1305 bdmc
1306 
1307 Blog Spots? I don't think so.
1308 
1309 23:38:46
1310 
1311 Etienne
1312 
1313 Sat, 23 Oct 2021 22:06:06 +0200 (I resent it just now)
1314 
1315 23:38:53
1316 
1317 pnunn
1318 
1319 Gents, I must away... my next meeting is fast approaching.
1320 
1321 23:39:14
1322 
1323 FD
1324 
1325 Have a very good day, Peter!
1326 
1327 23:39:31
1328 
1329 bdmc
1330 
1331 In that case, I will wish you all a good night ( or morning ), and call this meeting to a close.
1332 
1333 23:39:36
1334 
1335 Etienne
1336 
1337 bdmc, you can close the meeting and we two can finish the discussion off meeting.
1338 
1339 23:39:41
1340 
1341 pnunn
1342 
1343 Have a good evening all... good luck with all of this going forward.
1344 
1345 23:39:52
1346 
1347 Etienne
1348 
1349 good bye FD pnunn mcr
1350 
1351 23:39:52
1352 
1353 FD
1354 
1355 Ok, Bye!
1356 
1357 23:40:00
1358 
1359 pnunn
1360 
1361 bye.
1362 
1363 23:40:08
1364 
1365 Etienne
1366 
1367 @bdmc: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 22:06:06 +0200 (I resent it just now)
1368 
1369 23:40:19
1370 
1371 bdmc
1372 
1373 I am looking for it.
1374 
1375 23:40:21
1376 
1377 ← pnunn est parti du salon
1378 
1379 23:40:40
1380 
1381 Etienne
1382 
1383 a list of all blog spots of the CAcert-year 20/21