1 → Etienne est entré 
   2 21:58:01
   3 → bdmc est entré 
   4 21:58:18
   5 Etienne
   6 Good morning, my president! 
   7 21:58:37
   8 bdmc
   9 Good night, my secretary! 
  10 21:58:58
  11 I won't be able to chair this meeting, so perhaps you or FD could do that. 
  12 21:59:19
  13 Etienne
  14 That is bad. 
  15 21:59:37
  16 bdmc
  17 I don't know about "bad."  Perhaps inconvenient. 
  18 22:00:27
  19 Etienne
  20 Your English is better than mine's. 
  21 22:00:55
  22 Lives your family in the 50°C-part of Canada? 
  23 22:01:07
  24 bdmc
  25 Possibly, but my French is very poor and my German is even less! 
  26 22:01:24
  27 Some members, yes, but most of them farther East. 
  28 22:02:04
  29 Etienne
  30 We have only 32°C, but I prefer even less... 
  31 22:02:19
  32 → pnunn est entré 
  33 22:02:22
  34 bdmc
  35 It is 32 where I am now.  My sister is at 32 as well. 
  36 22:02:46
  37 pnunn
  38 Morning all. 
  39 22:03:00
  40 bdmc
  41 That's interesting.  Everywhere that I have listed is 32 ( one is 34 ). 
  42 22:04:06
  43 Etienne
  44 Hello Peter, nice to meet you! 
  45 22:04:07
  46 bdmc
  47 In London ( Ontario -- Canada ) it is almost cold.  It is only 25. 
  48 22:04:48
  49 pnunn:  Hi Peter.  We are talking about the cold front in Western North America. ( or something ) 
  50 22:05:16
  51 How is it for you? 
  52 22:05:18
  53 Etienne
  54 We are 4 (Frédéric is this moment conecting) to start 
  55 22:05:47
  56 pnunn
  57 Its freezing and dark. Very mild winter so far, but clear nights so lots of frosts at this time of morning. 
  58 22:05:54
  59 Currently 2 I think. 
  60 22:06:10
  61 bdmc
  62 I envy you, right now.  32 outside. 
  63 22:06:32
  64 → FD est entré 
  65 22:06:37
  66 Etienne
  67 Agenda https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2021-07-01#preview 
  68 22:06:39
  69 pnunn
  70 Yeh that's too hot for me too. I've seen the reports that Canada is getting a belting. Any fires around? 
  71 22:06:42
  72 FD
  73 Hi dear fellows! 
  74 22:06:50
  75 Etienne
  76 Audio channel https://conference.germanywestcentral.cloudapp.azure.com/b/ber-n8r-r5b-a1v 
  77 22:07:09
  78 FD
  79 The shared minutes notepad can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KKJX5j1Jf74Nc1g_830d_i52AEXRSseE8vtzv-w_q-4/edit?usp=sharing 
  80 22:07:46
  81 Good morning Peter! Good afternoon Brian! 
  82 22:07:53
  83 bdmc
  84 pnunn: Not here, but I am on the other side of the continent. 
  85 22:08:20
  86 pnunn
  87 That's good to hear atleast Brian.  Morning FD. 
  88 22:08:21
  89 bdmc
  90 FD: When I arrived, I told Etienne that I couldn't chair this meeting, and suggested that you could. 
  91 22:08:32
  92 Peter might, as well. 
  93 22:08:48
  94 pnunn
  95 I did one recently... FD, you up for it? 
  96 22:09:21
  97 Etienne
  98 Let's start, I take the chair and open this meeting: Welcome! 
  99 22:09:34
 100 FD
 101 Hi Etienne! 
 102 22:09:48
 103 Etienne
 104 Who is making minutes? 
 105 22:10:01
 106 FD, have you a link? 
 107 22:10:26
 108 The shared minutes notepad can be found here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KKJX5j1Jf74Nc1g_830d_i52AEXRSseE8vtzv-w_q-4/edit?usp=sharing  (I was already sleeping) 
 109 22:10:28
 110 FD
 111 I am, and I invite everyelse to participate to the drafting of the minutes at : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KKJX5j1Jf74Nc1g_830d_i52AEXRSseE8vtzv-w_q-4/edit?usp=sharing 
 112 22:11:13
 113 Etienne
 114 Is there a time limit? Let's do it as soon as possible. 
 115 22:11:27
 116 pnunn
 117 Yes please. 
 118 22:11:32
 119 Etienne
 120 Chair asks whether cacert-board-private or cacert-board maillist includes any items that need to be disclosed to Members. 
 121 22:12:16
 122 FD
 123 No, we do not see anything special, expect the positive answers from newcomers wanting to help Jan at the Infrastructure team. 
 124 22:12:20
 125 Etienne
 126 I saw some acitvity at software, but nothing at the board mailing lists. 
 127 22:12:59
 128 I did'nt see any minutes, only a list of the people present. 
 129 22:13:13
 130 Business 
 131 22:13:21
 132 Most pressing subjects 
 133 22:14:46
 134 Etienne
 135 CCA change. information of community: The letter is ready (Thank you to bdmc); I am waiting to submit it to Dirk, until the two more pressing subjects are don: access for Ales and signer. 
 136 22:15:27
 137 register statutes changes at OFT (started after AGM): details with OFT OK, form prepared, waiting for legal confirmation. (secretary / to skip, still pending, legal confirmation takes more time than expected) 
 138 22:16:33
 139 pnunn
 140 Have they come back with anything @Etienne or is it just taking time? 
 141 22:17:26
 142 bdmc
 143 He told us on Wednesday morning, that he needed to connect with a Swiss laywer ( barrister ) to notarise it, before sending paperwork to Oz. 
 144 22:17:35
 145 Etienne
 146 Changes at http://www.cacert.org/index.php?id=3 is not updated yet. egal was waiting a second verification. Bdmc and FD said, that to change the fingerprint only, one verification should be suffiscent. 
 147 22:17:58
 148 pnunn, yes, please 
 149 22:18:11
 150 bdmc
 151 We should be able to produce a second verification, as well. 
 152 22:18:33
 153 Do we just need to say that the value is correct? 
 154 22:18:52
 155 Etienne
 156 I think so, yes @bdmc 
 157 22:19:20
 158 bdmc
 159 To do so, I presume that we need to check that page out of the source code, correct? 
 160 22:19:31
 161 FD
 162 Dirk is waiting for the change to our web homepage to be reviewed by a second Software Enginneer. Brian and I suggested to him at a Wednesday meeting that for such a simple, purely textual change, he would be willing to update the web page in the absence of a second review. He agreed, but did not do it. 
 163 22:19:34
 164 bdmc
 165 And find the proper certificate. 
 166 22:20:25
 167 I will try to do so.  ( Need to go back in the mailing lists to find everything. ) 
 168 22:20:59
 169 Etienne
 170 Answer at pnunn: to There is a form to have Cacert Inc removed from the register. I have filled it out and now need a lawyer's signature to confirm that I am authorised to fill it out. This is in the process of being done (I have to meet him privately so it won't cost $350). 
 171 22:21:29
 172 Thank you Brian. 
 173 22:21:38
 174 pnunn
 175 Good stuff @Etienne. 
 176 22:22:07
 177 Etienne
 178 Background Check 
 179 22:22:41
 180 Board suggests that more candidates be processed, whether they are assigned tasks at the present or not. 
 181 22:23:21
 182 Would you like to discuss this proposition here or audio on bbb? 
 183 22:23:54
 184 pnunn
 185 audio is not an option for me in a sleeping house sorry. 
 186 22:24:03
 187 bdmc
 188 I would suggest that, if people agree, we formulate a motion, saying this. 
 189 22:24:16
 190 and direct it at whoever needs to know it. 
 191 22:25:10
 192 Etienne
 193 Do not worry, Peter, on audio are sometimes just some comments to the written text. Everyone in the audio channel is also reading IRC. 
 194 22:26:45
 195 bdmc
 196 And, perhaps, not just invite people to apply, but actually ask specific people to apply. 
 197 22:27:59
 198 Etienne
 199 Maybe this way: I motion that board invite people to apply, ask specific people and candidates be processed, whether they are assigned tasks at the present or not. 
 200 22:28:36
 201 bdmc
 202 I see that that is in Etienne's motion.  ( I move that ) 
 203 22:29:20
 204 I think that it is open to everybody who wants to apply. 
 205 22:29:38
 206 Whether or not they pass, is a different question. 
 207 22:29:39
 208 Etienne
 209 Any other comments? Suggestions? 
 210 22:29:58
 211 bdmc
 212 NO, not really. 
 213 22:30:06
 214 pnunn
 215 second and aye 
 216 22:30:11
 217 bdmc
 218 Don't vote until the motion is complete. 
 219 22:30:31
 220 pnunn
 221 Sorry, thought it was.. :) Now reading back. 
 222 22:30:31
 223 bdmc
 224 While we are still discussing wording, we are not voting. 
 225 22:31:23
 226 True. 
 227 22:31:34
 228 And that is part of the "invite people to apply." 
 229 22:32:01
 230 Perhaps "invite any member of the Community -- or something ) 
 231 22:32:24
 232 What do you think? 
 233 22:33:00
 234 That is why I am suggesting alternatives. 
 235 22:33:39
 236 FD: I think that we are going in similar directions. 
 237 22:34:12
 238 I want to see the final version before the vote. 
 239 22:34:23
 240 Etienne
 241 I move that board invite any member of the Community to apply, ask specific people and candidates be processed, whether they are assigned tasks at the present or not. 
 242 22:34:37
 243 bdmc
 244 Ummmm. 
 245 22:34:51
 246 Yes 
 247 22:35:16
 248 Yes, I was workign on that, too. 
 249 22:35:46
 250 Etienne
 251 So?: I move that board invite any member of the Community to apply to the background check and will ask specific people and candidates be processed, whether they are assigned tasks at the present or not. 
 252 22:35:52
 253 bdmc
 254 "and the Board will request that specific people" 
 255 22:35:54
 256 FD
 257 Something like "board invite any member of the Community to apply to the Background Checked by the Community, and will also ask specific people and candidates be processed, whether they are assigned tasks at the present or not. " 
 258 22:36:29
 259 bdmc
 260 There is only one motion.  We are still discussing wording of that motion. 
 261 22:36:40
 262 B-)   I know. 
 263 22:37:17
 264 May we see the final wording again> 
 265 22:37:37
 266 Etienne
 267 New wording: I move that board invite any member of the Community to apply to the background check and the committee will request that specific people and candidates be processed, whether they are assigned tasks at the present or not. 
 268 22:38:06
 269 bdmc
 270 I think that that is basically what we have been saying.  Agree? 
 271 22:38:33
 272 Etienne
 273 I move that board invite any member of the Community to apply to the background check and the committee will request that specific people and candidates be processed, whether they are assigned tasks at the present or not. 
 274 22:38:38
 275 bdmc
 276 pnunn: You have been quiet. 
 277 22:38:54
 278 Second 
 279 22:38:57
 280 Etienne
 281 aye 
 282 22:38:59
 283 bdmc
 284 Aye. 
 285 22:39:02
 286 pnunn
 287 aye 
 288 22:39:14
 289 bdmc
 290 FD: You want another change? 
 291 22:39:34
 292 FD
 293 I would use the wording "committee" in all places of the motion, not "board" once and "comittee" later. 
 294 22:39:45
 295 bdmc
 296 I saw that, too, but didn't argue. 
 297 22:40:37
 298 So, do we cancel our votes and try again? 
 299 22:40:43
 300 I'm willing/ 
 301 22:41:06
 302 Certainly.   Cancel that vote and amend the motion. 
 303 22:42:06
 304 bdmc
 305 Hmmm.  Community Background Check  isn't a problem for me.  Peter? 
 306 22:43:12
 307 bdmc
 308 Multiple members of the Community. 
 309 22:43:15
 310 Etienne
 311 Please read to a final editorial check:: I move that committee invite any member of the community to apply to the new community background check and the committee will request that specific people and candidates be processed, whether they are assigned tasks at the present or not. 
 312 22:43:27
 313 bdmc
 314 "the committee" 
 315 22:44:01
 316 be processed is all right  ( perhaps a bit formal ) 
 317 22:44:19
 318 pnunn
 319 it works. 
 320 22:44:27
 321 Etienne
 322 I move that the committee invite any member of the community to apply to the new community background check and the committee will request that specific people and candidates be processed, whether they are assigned tasks at the present or not. 
 323 22:44:30
 324 FD
 325 I second the motion and vote aye 
 326 22:44:34
 327 Etienne
 328 aye 
 329 22:44:37
 330 pnunn
 331 aye 
 332 22:44:40
 333 bdmc
 334 aye 
 335 22:44:47
 336 Etienne
 337 Passed, thank you! 
 338 22:45:15
 339 bdmc
 340 What about the announcement about the new process? 
 341 22:45:46
 342 No. 
 343 22:46:02
 344 "that the committee invite"   Is proper English 
 345 22:46:34
 346 pnunn: Peter, confirm, or would you rather the plural? 
 347 22:46:45
 348 pnunn
 349 No, that's fine. 
 350 22:47:36
 351 bdmc
 352 We said that the announcement needed to be done in a previous meeting. 
 353 22:48:01
 354 Etienne
 355 Who wants to prepare it? 
 356 22:48:10
 357 bdmc
 358 Well, not done in a previous meeting, but we said in a prevous meeting that it needed to be done. 
 359 22:48:59
 360 Etienne
 361 I will put in on my list. 
 362 22:49:16
 363 bdmc
 364 pnunn: Do you have an hour or so when you might be able to cobble something together about this new process? 
 365 22:50:00
 366 Most of the information should be in the Board ( Private ) Mailing List. 
 367 22:50:02
 368 pnunn
 369 Well, I could, but I've not had any involvement in the new process so probably not the best one to do it. 
 370 22:50:21
 371 bdmc
 372 None of us have.  We have just been hearing about it from Ted. 
 373 22:51:04
 374 pnunn
 375 I thought FD had been more involved? No? 
 376 22:51:20
 377 bdmc
 378 Peter brings up a good point.  Do we want Ted to do the write-up for publication, or use his words and write it ourselves? 
 379 22:51:20
 380 Etienne
 381 https://wiki.cacert.org/NewBackgroundCheck (EN, DE, FR, CZ) 
 382 22:51:44
 383 bdmc
 384 OK.  So perhaps just a news article pointing at that page. 
 385 22:51:57
 386 Etienne
 387 With this information, we can write it, I suppose. 
 388 22:52:12
 389 I will do it. 
 390 22:52:35
 391 pnunn
 392 OK, lots of good info there. 
 393 22:52:47
 394 Etienne
 395 Anything else about background checks? 
 396 22:52:49
 397 bdmc
 398 pnunn: I know that FD has been talking about it ( not answering you, though ), but he has not actually participated in the process. 
 399 22:53:16
 400 pnunn
 401 OK, my mistake. 
 402 22:54:16
 403 Etienne
 404 Let's move to November 2021.... AGM! 
 405 22:54:24
 406 bdmc
 407 I really didn't understand the AGM dates that you quoted.  It is 2021, right, not 2011? 
 408 22:54:57
 409 Etienne
 410 First question: Friday or Saturday (for Peter Sat or Sun morning)? 
 411 22:55:48
 412 pnunn
 413 Either for me, makes not much difference. I thought we normally did it Saturday though so anyone working could make it. 
 414 22:55:52
 415 bdmc
 416 FD: Peter didn't hear any of that. 
 417 22:56:03
 418 Etienne
 419 The dates on the agenda are e.g. "Fri/Sat 12./13.11." = Friday 12.11.2021/Saturday 13.11.2021 (11=november) 
 420 22:56:42
 421 The suggested time is 20:00 GMT = Geneva 21 h 00 = Sydney 07 h 00 DST = Greenwich (London) 20 h 00 = New York 15 h 00 
 422 22:56:43
 423 bdmc
 424 Etienne: From this far away, I have no preferences. 
 425 22:57:24
 426 pnunn
 427 likewise. 
 428 22:57:39
 429 Etienne
 430 Let's fix a day: Saturday 13/20/27 November 2021 (that is sunday morning in Australia) 
 431 22:57:52
 432 pnunn
 433 Yep. 
 434 22:57:57
 435 Sounds fine. 
 436 22:58:27
 437 FD
 438 The 13rd of November would have my voice. 
 439 22:59:23
 440 Etienne
 441 I move to fix Saturday, 13th november 2021, 20:00 GMT for the AGM. 
 442 22:59:25
 443 FD
 444 I second the motion and vote aye 
 445 22:59:38
 446 pnunn
 447 aye 
 448 22:59:39
 449 Etienne
 450 aye 
 451 22:59:39
 452 bdmc
 453 aye 
 454 22:59:48
 455 Etienne
 456 Thank you! 
 457 23:01:20
 458 Etienne
 459 The secretary will start the preparations. Do you agree with the villa used by Mr Biden and Mr Putin for the AGM? It belongs to the  municipal library of Geneva. I cold ask or do you prefer irc? 
 460 23:01:55
 461 pnunn
 462 Sadly the current travel restrictions would make the villa difficult. 
 463 23:01:55
 464 FD
 465 Staffing of the Support team: 
 466 23:01:59
 467 bdmc
 468 Sounds good to me.  We should be able to travel by then. 
 469 23:02:04
 470 FD
 471 In May, the comittee stated: “Dirk is going to create the relevant new accounts in OTRS for new comers and to extend access rights to Aleš Kastner (his nomination was accepted as a Support Engineer) in OTRS; Dirk committed to do so no later than Sunday the 9th of May, 2021.” 
 472 23:02:21
 473 Aleš's new recruits have been blocked since last December because they have not received open accounts on OTRS. Aleš has been blocked since he was appointed Enginneer Support, due to the lack of access to our database. In both cases, we are waiting for Dirk. 
 474 23:02:22
 475 bdmc
 476 pnunn:  No?  Things are still stuck down there? 
 477 23:02:53
 478 pnunn
 479 Very much so... very low numbers but we are isolated on the island for a long time yet I think. 
 480 23:04:00
 481 bdmc
 482 Vaccination rates have slowed drastically in the past month or so.  When the CDC came out and say "you don't need to wear masks any more," that seems to have really stalled things. 
 483 23:04:10
 484 "say = said" 
 485 23:04:41
 486 Etienne
 487 Here, the restrictions are now falling, people are flying to Russia for the European Championship and to the south for their holidays. Everyone is expecting the Delta variant from August, so they are quickly sinning beforehand so that it comes faster and stronger :-( 
 488 23:04:41
 489 Here, the restrictions are now falling, people are flying to Russia for the European Championship and to the south for their holidays. Everyone is expecting the Delta variant from August, so they are quickly sinning beforehand so that it comes faster and stronger :-( 
 490 23:04:50
 491 bdmc
 492 They are holding lotteries in several states to try to persuade people to get vaccinated. 
 493 23:05:21
 494 B-) 
 495 23:05:23
 496 pnunn
 497 The stupid government here keeps changing their minds on who can get what vaccine. The messaging has been terrible. 
 498 23:05:29
 499 Etienne
 500 We turn back to staffing the teams. 
 501 23:05:46
 502 pnunn
 503 I assume Dirk is the only one who can grant the access? 
 504 23:05:51
 505 Etienne
 506 In May, the comittee stated: “Dirk is going to create the relevant new accounts in OTRS for new comers and to extend access rights to Aleš Kastner (his nomination was accepted as a Support Engineer) in OTRS; Dirk committed to do so no later than Sunday the 9th of May, 2021.”  
 507 23:05:51
 508 23:02:21 
 509 23:05:51
 510 Aleš's new recruits have been blocked since last December because they have not received open accounts on OTRS. Aleš has been blocked since he was appointed Enginneer Support, due to the lack of access to our database. In both cases, we are waiting for Dirk. 
 511 23:06:35
 512 pnunn: yes, that is true. 
 513 23:06:52
 514 pnunn
 515 So I guess we ask again? No much other choice. 
 516 23:07:04
 517 bdmc
 518 pnunn:  He is on multiple critical paths, as the blocker. 
 519 23:07:36
 520 pnunn
 521 Right.. 
 522 23:08:24
 523 bdmc
 524 Plus he has is own employment in the way. 
 525 23:08:34
 526 ( grrrr "is = his" ) 
 527 23:09:48
 528 FD
 529 Staffing the Infrastructure Team: 
 530 23:09:49
 531 pnunn
 532 So can someone in his time zone perhaps make contact and ask if he has time? 
 533 23:10:02
 534 I'm not sure what TZ that is. 
 535 23:10:25
 536 FD
 537 Etienne is going to call Dirk and talk to him in German 
 538 23:10:26
 539 bdmc
 540 Same one as both of the others. 
 541 23:10:54
 542 Etienne
 543 Peter, I am doing that. We had mails, chats and a phone call in the last weeks. 
 544 23:11:01
 545 FD
 546 Staffing the Infrastructure Team: 
 547 23:11:03
 548 Brian launched a call to the system administrators registered on our discussion list (about a hundred), in order to invite them to make themselves known individually and take each the responsibility of the deployment and then the maintenance of an application, on infra03. 
 549 23:11:03
 550 He received half a dozen replies; Jan in turn replied individually to these people. Here is his report: 
 551 23:11:09
 552 Etienne
 553 I am continuing. 
 554 23:11:13
 555 FD
 556 "Progress of Sascha is blocked because of missing network access to containers on infra03, we need a firewall change to route an IPv6 subnet to the container bridge network there and I had no time to discuss this with Dirk yet and had no onboarding to do it myself yet. 
 557 23:11:22
 558 We have no spare IPv4 public address currently and need to re-route traffic for existing containers to make a few available. I prepared parts of the change on infra02 but we need a DNS change and a few more changes on infra02 to fix this. 
 559 23:11:22
 560 Aleš has access to the test system 😊 
 561 23:11:31
 562 Vig did not respond to my last mail (on 2021-06-15) so he is stuck at step 3 ("Acknowledge") in my process diagram (he volunteered for IRC, and general DevOps assistance) 
 563 23:11:31
 564 Abdallah did not respond to my mail (on 2021-06-12) so the same for him 
 565 23:11:31
 566 Hendrik seems to be pissed of because Brian and I misspellt his name. He did not react to my apologies on 2021-06-23 and told us he is no longer motivated. 
 567 23:11:38
 568 Waclaw is stuck because he cannot create a certificate (due to the signer outage), our last conversation was on 2021-06-10, so he is stuck at step 5 ("send credentials") in my process diagram (he volunteered to look after the board ERP system). 
 569 23:11:38
 570 ... so we have two volunteers stuck and two unresponsive" 
 571 23:11:45
 572 EOF 
 573 23:11:51
 574 bdmc
 575 Etienne:  We have to stress that we are not only having trouble within CAcert, with all of these staffing issues, but that the signer is critical. 
 576 23:12:40
 577 pnunn
 578 Wow, thanks FD. 
 579 23:13:16
 580 Etienne
 581 bdmc: that is why I wait with the mail and talk to Dirk at the moment only about signer and Ales. But this done one day, next things follows. 
 582 23:13:21
 583 bdmc
 584 FD: Yes, that is what I said.  That we have trouble within and outside of CAcert. 
 585 23:13:39
 586 FD
 587 Staffing the Software Development Team: 
 588 23:13:47
 589 Brian invited a few individual programmers that he and I had specifically targeted for their PHP abilities. Two of them responded positively, Tim and Saikumar, and at least one of them produced some code. At the request of Brian, Bernhard and Dirk, he is working primarily on an application to facilitate the degeneration of personal certificates fro 
 590 23:13:47
 591 m the browser. 
 592 23:14:07
 593 Etienne
 594 If you read the blog, I try to write as positive as possible. 
 595 23:14:11
 596 FD
 597 Brian also extended a more general invitation to already known members to join our Software Developpement discussion list, but did not receive a response then. 
 598 23:14:20
 599 In general, we have a great need to effectively manage the motivation of people, to make them deliver a tangible result (work), even though we are an association of volunteers. 
 600 23:14:42
 601 bdmc
 602 FD: That's interesting.  I didn't know about Hendrik's problem. 
 603 23:18:49
 604 bdmc
 605 OK 
 606 23:19:33
 607 Peter stepped away to deal with a server briefly. 
 608 23:20:55
 609 bdmc
 610 For those who haven't heard, I was talking to Gero T. recently and he has volunteered to head up the QA team for Software Development. 
 611 23:23:29
 612 FD
 613 Regarding the Finance Team: 
 614 23:23:39
 615 Michael worked hard to gain access to the old historical ERP, Gero administers it and wanted to help him, but the sign-in malfunction prevents him from connecting to it. 
 616 23:23:39
 617 The finance team's priority should be to get access to all bank accounts and deploy their own ERP. 
 618 23:23:39
 619 Etienne
 620 Thank you Brian (for asking) and Gero as well (for doing it). 
 621 23:25:05
 622 pnunn
 623 The dead hardware is causing real issues. 
 624 23:25:17
 625 bdmc
 626 Too true. 
 627 23:26:22
 628 bdmc
 629 And Dirk thought that he was getting ahead of it, but having a couple of new hard drives, a replacement machine, etc. 
 630 23:26:44
 631 pnunn
 632 yes. 
 633 23:26:52
 634 bdmc
 635 (  grrrr, again.   "but having" = "by having" ) 
 636 23:28:33
 637 Etienne
 638 Old hardware is one thing, but if almost all key positions are occupied by the same person, it can be just as much of a cluster risk. 
 639 23:28:39
 640 bdmc
 641 I wonder whether it might be worthwhile consulting with Dirk regarding his plan of attack concerning all of the different systems in failure. 
 642 23:28:56
 643 "Second set of eyes." 
 644 23:29:26
 645 FD
 646 Can the date of 13 July that you mentioned Etienne, for the third intervention on the signer, be taken as firm? 
 647 23:29:54
 648 Etienne
 649 Following an e-mail I got, crit & admin traval to ede on Tue 13 july. It seems to be firm, if the signer works well until then. 
 650 23:30:20
 651 bdmc
 652 The signer is NOT working at all. 
 653 23:30:26
 654 Etienne
 655 (tomorrow will not happen, as the signer was no ready yesterday) 
 656 23:31:02
 657 Yesterdays news: Our volunteers have found out why the signer is currently not running, or why the signer did not start cleanly on the backup disk. Based on these findings, we are a big step further in the recovery process. 
 658 23:31:16
 659 bdmc
 660 ???? 
 661 23:31:29
 662 Etienne
 663 Will be published tomorrow (latest news): Further progress with the signer: Not only PGP, but also certificate issuing now works on the replica. The CRLs, however, do not yet. 
 664 23:31:56
 665 pnunn
 666 Ahh.. that's new news Good stuff. 
 667 23:31:58
 668 bdmc
 669 But that is the "duplicate" machine, not the production one, correct? 
 670 23:34:11
 671 bdmc
 672 Etienne: ??? 
 673 23:34:34
 674 Etienne
 675 Dirk rebuilds the signer. And he has found the error, why the second one did not work. Then one should work and one should be reserve 
 676 23:34:46
 677 bdmc
 678 OK 
 679 23:35:02
 680 That will make a lot of people very happy. 
 681 23:35:10
 682 This is to be done on the 13th? 
 683 23:35:36
 684 Etienne
 685 For security reasons, only two vetted and trusted volunteers from Critical and Admin are allowed into the data centre at any one time. This is the well-known four-eyes principle. Since we no longer have people from the Netherlands in this area, our volunteers each have to travel from Germany. Thanks to generous employers, this is also possible during the week. As things stand, we expect that on Tuesday 13 July, two of our volunteers will be released by their respective supervisors so that they can go to the data centre. We sincerely regret the waiting time this will cause. 
 686 23:35:48
 687 bdmc
 688 FD: ???? 
 689 23:35:59
 690 I don't know anything about that. 
 691 23:37:50
 692 Etienne
 693 Brian: That was a mail in german segments I got from Dirk, two days ago, translated, added some backgrounds and worded in a positive manner..... then put it on the blog, slice per slice every two days (the last paragraph is for sunday). 
 694 23:38:27
 695 pnunn
 696 OK, sounds like its the 13th then. 
 697 23:38:48
 698 Etienne
 699 segments = sentence fragments 
 700 23:39:45
 701 Would you like to discuss any other point? - or should we move to question time? 
 702 23:40:06
 703 pnunn
 704 I have about 15 minutes left before I need to get ready for another meeting. 
 705 23:40:36
 706 Etienne
 707 Next: Question time: 
 708 23:40:56
 709 bdmc
 710 Is there anybody other than us four, here? 
 711 23:41:18
 712 Etienne
 713 Some shadows and ghosts and readers. 
 714 23:41:30
 715 bdmc
 716 That's what I thought. 
 717 23:41:36
 718 Etienne
 719 Next: next meeting: 
 720 23:41:59
 721 5. August (start AGM!!), -- save also the date for: 2. Sept, 30. Sept or 7. Okt, 30. Okt or 7. Nov 
 722 23:42:46
 723 Thank you FD for writing the minutes, the secretary will put them on the wiki. 
 724 23:43:00
 725 Thank you for joining the meeting. 
 726 23:43:32
 727 pnunn
 728 Good stuff.. Have a good evening everyone, Brian I hope you can stay cool. 
 729 23:44:05
 730 bdmc
 731 pnunn: Indoors working, yes.  I try and stay there.  B-) 
 732 23:44:07
 733 Etienne
 734 Good bye, the meeting is closed. 
 735 23:44:14
 736 bdmc
 737 Good night, all. 
 738 23:44:29
 739 pnunn
 740 Stay well everyone. Tallk soon. 
 741 23:44:34
 742 FD
 743 Have a nice evening and an nice day, Brian and Peter! 
 744 23:44:52
 745 Etienne
 746 Have a good day, Peter 
 747 23:44:59
 748 Have a nice evening Brian 
 749 23:45:05
 750 Good night Frédéric 
 751 23:45:51
 752 ← bdmc a quitté (Quit: leaving) 
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