1 21:44:38
   2 FD
   3 Bonsoir Etienne, 
   4 21:45:35
   5 Etienne
   6 Bonsoir Frédéric! Cette fois, j'y ai pensé. Corneille au lit, histoire raconté, jardin arosé, ordinateur allumé........... 
   7 21:45:45
   8 FD
   9 :-) 
  10 21:46:30
  11 J'avais gardé en mémoire que tu avais deux enfants ? Me trompes-je ? 
  12 21:48:05
  13 egal
  14 moin ... heute darf also wieder jeder in seiner muttersprache schreiben? ;-) 
  15 21:49:13
  16 Etienne
  17 Nein, nicht jeder, aber wenn du nett fragst, darfst du auch auf französisch schreiben ;-) 
  18 21:50:05
  19 egal
  20 kann ich nicht ... deutsch, englisch ist okay ... niederlaendisch, schweizerdeutsch und luxemburgisch nur lesender/hoerenderweise ... ;) 
  21 21:52:52
  22 Etienne
  23 Na, na na: Wenn du ein Croissant gegessen hast, musst du vielleicht auf die Toilette... Ich denke du kannst mehr französisch, als du denkst. Dann hast du Durst, gehst in ein Café, trinkst eine Tasse (la tasse) Elefantenmilch (l'éléphant) und isst eine Orange (l'orange). etc. 
  24 21:53:23
  25 FD
  26 Meine Herren, 
  27 21:53:23
  28 Was halten Sie davon, wenn wir über Jitsi zu einer Telefonkonferenz übergehen? 
  29 21:53:29
  30 https://meet.jit.si/cacert 
  31 21:54:40
  32 egal
  33 in this case i can listen only ... otherwise i would disturb sonja ... 
  34 21:54:53
  35 (well ... and write my remarks in chat) 
  36 21:56:36
  37 FD
  38 Wissen Sie, Dirk, dies wird eine freie Diskussion sein, denn wir sind nicht beschlussfähig, um über irgendetwas abzustimmen. 
  39 21:57:38
  40 Etienne
  41 We have allready a quorum: sat, FD and Etienne are 3. 
  42 21:59:21
  43 → bdmc est entré 
  44 21:59:29
  45 bdmc
  46 Greetings, all. 
  47 21:59:43
  48 FD
  49 Good morning Brian! 
  50 21:59:54
  51 Etienne
  52 Good Morning America! 
  53 22:00:05
  54 bdmc
  55 This is technically the middle of my work day, so I may not be able to stay right through. 
  56 22:00:18
  57 → MitchMaifeld est entré 
  58 22:00:26
  59 FD
  60 Thank you for having joined us. 
  61 22:00:38
  62 bdmc
  63 Morning Mitch.  How is Texas? 
  64 22:00:54
  65 Etienne
  66 bdmc, we want to go to sleep, so we will do it as fast as possible and even a little bit faster. 
  67 22:00:54
  68 MitchMaifeld
  69 Not as hot as usual! 
  70 22:00:59
  71 FD
  72 Hi Mitchel, Good Afternoon Florida! 
  73 22:01:05
  74 bdmc
  75 B-) 
  76 22:01:11
  77 MitchMaifeld
  78 ;o) 
  79 22:01:14
  80 Etienne
  81 Hello everybody 
  82 22:01:32
  83 bdmc
  84 OK, I don't have my Agenda in front of me yet, but let's go. 
  85 22:02:10
  86 First, I may not be here for the whole time, so may pass the Chair off to Etienne.  Otherwise, any deadlines for people? 
  87 22:02:10
  88 FD
  89 Agenda: (1) Good news: 
  90 22:03:35
  91 bdmc
  92 The wiki is slow today, but, moving on. 
  93 22:03:48
  94 Is anybody going to help Etienne with the minutes? 
  95 22:04:24
  96 FD
  97 Good news #1 : Paypal fixed thanks to Bret, Etienne, and Frédéric 
  98 22:04:32
  99 bdmc
 100 Hmmm.  The wiki still hasn't opened. 
 101 22:04:37
 102 Etienne
 103 https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2020-08-20 
 104 22:04:51
 105 bdmc
 106 FD: You are getting ahead of the agenda. 
 107 22:05:09
 108 Finally, I have my Agenda.  Everybody else? 
 109 22:05:21
 110 Etienne
 111 Minutes from last week: https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2020-08-13#Minutes 
 112 22:05:30
 113 FD
 114 Won't you want me to do that, in order to let you leave us for coming back to your work? 
 115 22:05:40
 116 bdmc
 117 Item 1.4 -- Anything in the mailing lists? 
 118 22:05:45
 119 Etienne
 120 (the wiki is over heated, wait one minute....) 
 121 22:06:37
 122 bdmc
 123 Yes, I see that the "approve previous minutes" is missing from this Agenda, Etienne. 
 124 22:06:59
 125 May I have a motion to approve the minutes for August 13th? 
 126 22:07:36
 127 Etienne
 128 I move to accept the minutes of 13-08-2020. 
 129 22:07:52
 130 bdmc
 131 All in favour? 
 132 22:08:25
 133 Abs. 
 134 22:08:47
 135 Please vote now. 
 136 22:09:16
 137 Etienne
 138 aye 
 139 22:09:46
 140 bdmc
 141 Nobody else? 
 142 22:09:52
 143 Etienne
 144 FD? 
 145 22:09:53
 146 FD
 147 I believe we did not said a word about removing the Paypal button from the homepage. 
 148 22:10:02
 149 BTW, we should not remove it. 
 150 22:10:07
 151 Should we? 
 152 22:10:22
 153 FredericG
 154 I don't remember the Paypal button either 
 155 22:11:02
 156 Since Paypal is now running again, it seems good to delay this action, until we have another provider 
 157 22:11:16
 158 FD
 159 Past week, we talked also about taking advantage of CAcert in embedded security devices 
 160 22:11:22
 161 Etienne
 162 This was probabely in July. 
 163 22:11:28
 164 FD
 165 It does not appear in the minutes 
 166 22:11:50
 167 FredericG
 168 @Etienne understood, thank you 
 169 22:12:06
 170 Etienne
 171 The new code is not reviewes yet. I can change it in the manner that we have (1) Bank CH, (2) bank AU and 3rd PP. 
 172 22:12:19
 173 bdmc
 174 I do seem to remember talk of removing the Donation and Membership buttons, since they were non-functional.  I wasn't at last week's meeting, though 
 175 22:12:21
 176 Etienne
 177 There are no minutes in July, only the log file. 
 178 22:13:03
 179 FD
 180 Do we want minutes for the past week meeting, as it was mainly an informal talk? 
 181 22:13:45
 182 Etienne
 183 Last week was just an information about it. Details see here https://bugs.cacert.org/view.php?id=1493 it started at 28-7-2020. Before last week. 
 184 22:14:03
 185 bdmc
 186 Since they are not mentioned in the Agenda, perhaps we can consider them not to have existed ( formally ). 
 187 22:14:10
 188 Etienne
 189 FD: we have minutes, the question is: are they OK or not. 
 190 22:14:53
 191 FD
 192 If we could add a word about taking advantage of CAcert in embedded security devices, and remove the mention about the Paypal button, I would say they are ok. 
 193 22:15:11
 194 bdmc
 195 As we get into the "school year," and closer to the AGM, perhaps we should make sure that we are properly recording things.  May I have a volunteer to help with Minutes? 
 196 22:16:19
 197 Etienne
 198 OK, FD, you can improve the minutes and today we report the vote. 
 199 22:16:46
 200 bdmc
 201 I would rather the minutes be complete before we vote. 
 202 22:17:09
 203 Let us put them into the Agenda for next meeting, and move on. 
 204 22:17:13
 205 Etienne
 206 OK 
 207 22:17:52
 208 bdmc
 209 As Frederic ( D ) suggested, let us start with Item 2.2.1. 
 210 22:18:20
 211 I think that we all saw that flood of e-mail messages earlier in the week. 
 212 22:19:00
 213 Who wants to report on this? 
 214 22:20:30
 215 Etienne
 216 Who knows the details? I was offline until tonight. 
 217 22:20:57
 218 ← FD a quitté (Connection closed) 
 219 22:21:37
 220 → FD est entré 
 221 22:21:40
 222 FredericG
 223 I don't know what happened, supposedly a bug somewhere. I just noticed that these emails were previous emails already broadcasted by the list between June and August 
 224 22:21:59
 225 bdmc
 226 But I was only seeing them for the first time. 
 227 22:22:15
 228 Etienne
 229 That is a distribution problem with our sympa list server. 
 230 22:23:14
 231 FredericG
 232 Since these emails were mainly about our Paypal freeze that I was involved in, I recognize them. 
 233 22:23:16
 234 egal
 235 in this case you should consult jandd ... i don't have root access on this server ... ;-( 
 236 22:24:15
 237 FredericG
 238 If you never read them, that means I made a confution and they were never broadcasted by the list. 
 239 22:24:24
 240 Etienne
 241 I contacted JanDD in the beginning of this week. That is probabely the reason, why it works again. 
 242 22:24:24
 243 bdmc
 244 OK, we have two conversations going on.  One about a technical problem with the mailing list server, and the other about the Paypal issue.  Which do we want to discuss at this point in the Agenda? 
 245 22:25:15
 246 FredericG
 247 Let's put aside the list bug. Nothing important for this meeting. 
 248 22:26:01
 249 bdmc
 250 FredericG, do you have any real information, other than the e-mail messages, about the resolution to the Paypal issue? 
 251 22:26:28
 252 FredericG
 253 Thanks to the strong and effective help of Bret Watson locally in Australia, who spoke and advocated to the financial regulation authority, the authority twisted Paypal’s neck and fully agreed with us. 
 254 22:26:28
 255 Therefore, our Paypal account in now operating again. 
 256 22:26:29
 257 As a compensation, Paypal is offering to send us USD or AUD (I don't know) 500. 
 258 22:27:18
 259 bdmc
 260 Isn't that generous of them?  B-( 
 261 22:28:01
 262 FredericG
 263 This is as very fresh new, sync with our meeting tonight: 
 264 22:28:06
 265 bdmc
 266 I understand, reading those messages, that there were some communication difficulties, but that they were not at all helpful in even asking for what they wanted. 
 267 22:28:09
 268 FredericG
 269 Dear CACERT INCORPORATED, 
 270 22:28:09
 271 Our review is complete and we have restored your account. 
 272 22:28:09
 273 We appreciate your patience and thank you for your help in making PayPal the safest and most trusted online payment solution. 
 274 22:28:10
 275 Sincerely, 
 276 22:28:10
 277 Sam 
 278 22:28:11
 279 PayPal 
 280 22:28:29
 281 Received yesterday evening 
 282 22:30:09
 283 FredericG
 284 Therefore, I suggest to carry on the plan we built since last year, modified with Paypal issue: 
 285 22:30:10
 286 -	Transfer all of our money from Westpac bank account to our new bank account in Switzerland 
 287 22:30:10
 288 -	Carry on the relocation of our head office in Switzerland 
 289 22:30:11
 290 -	Close our Westpac bank account 
 291 22:30:12
 292 -	Close the Australian Paypal account and open an new one in Switzerland or choose a new provider 
 293 22:30:43
 294 bdmc
 295 Without anything else, I guess that we should move on to other agenda items. 
 296 22:31:21
 297 ( Written before FredericG's latest. )  Do we want to consider a motion, or hold off until we meet again? 
 298 22:31:53
 299 I would suggest that we prepare more formally for such a motion, and make it part of a later Agenda. 
 300 22:32:30
 301 Etienne
 302 I suggest a plan for next meeting, including some transfers to SecureU, as they will ask us again some money soon ;-) 
 303 22:33:23
 304 bdmc
 305 Moving on.  Item 2.1 -- FD, do you want to report? 
 306 22:33:39
 307 FD
 308 What's about voting now on some of Frédéric's proposals? 
 309 22:33:41
 310 Etienne
 311 And how to transfer the money from Australia to Switzerland or Germany. 
 312 22:34:29
 313 FD
 314 I guess the Paypal issue would worth a little more talk at the moment, than just skipping to the next point. 
 315 22:34:53
 316 bdmc
 317 Nobody seemed to be saying anything. 
 318 22:35:11
 319 I will wait. 
 320 22:36:23
 321 FredericG
 322 Yes, this was the major issue from December, that catched a serious amount of Energy frome Etienne, I and now Bret. At the same time, strangled us financially. 
 323 22:37:46
 324 FredericG
 325 I suggest we take the opportunity that everybody is warm on that matter to work a little bit more and terminate the financial tools. 
 326 22:37:57
 327 FD
 328 I agree. 
 329 22:38:26
 330 FredericG
 331 Note that I don't write any timeline, just a sequence of steps 
 332 22:39:10
 333 that seems to me aligned with our willing to relocate to Europe, and aligned with our new Swiss bank acount. 
 334 22:39:33
 335 Etienne
 336 +1 
 337 22:40:36
 338 FD
 339 In Switzerland, does our bank provides accounts in more currencies than CHF and EUR ? 
 340 22:41:03
 341 Etienne
 342 The bank account is in CHF. 
 343 22:41:12
 344 FD
 345 Do we need to prepare something at our Swiss bank before ordering the transfer from Australia? 
 346 22:42:27
 347 Etienne
 348 Therefore it makes sense to transer EUR directly to SecureU. 
 349 22:42:27
 350  
 351 22:42:27
 352 The background is: This is an association account. Therefore free of charge. and associations in Switzerland usually have only CHF. 
 353 22:42:44
 354 FD
 355 Is there a cost/problem for opening more accounts than CHF only at our Swiss bank? 
 356 22:43:10
 357 FredericG
 358 Etienne. I didn't know. Clever, thank you 
 359 22:43:47
 360 An account in EUR or USD could cost, I guess? 
 361 22:43:47
 362 FD
 363 The question is: do we decide to make our Swiss bank account to be our main bank account? I thought the answer is yes. 
 364 22:44:40
 365 If yes, the Swiss bank should be able to host several currencies. 
 366 22:44:54
 367 Etienne
 368 An EUR account is 60 CHF per year (15 CHF per 3 month), but free, if we have >250 000 CHF on the account ;-) 
 369 22:46:07
 370 egal
 371 @etienne are there high fees when transferring money from chf to eur (within SEPA) ? 
 372 22:46:13
 373 i don't think so ... 
 374 22:46:38
 375 Etienne
 376 Saving accounts in CHF and EUR are free. But then you have to pay for transfer if it is not to your own account. 
 377 22:47:02
 378 egal
 379 (at least nobody from switzerland complains when they have to pay for lugcamp in CH or DE) 
 380 22:48:14
 381 FD
 382 Would we want to adopt the directions proposed by Frédéric G with a motion, voted now? 
 383 22:48:16
 384 Etienne
 385 Transferring fees in CHF or EUR to CH/FL/SEPA are free if it is done by e-banking. 
 386 22:50:17
 387 Etienne
 388 This means that there is a currency risk. But in order to store money, the CHF is rather a strong currency, the risk is small. When the EUR was new, EUR/CHF was 1:1.6, now almost 1:1. Good for Germans with an account in Switzerland, bad luck for Swiss with EUR investments. 
 389 22:50:52
 390 FD
 391 The idea of Frédéric G is to take advantage of the quorum being present this evening, and vote general guidance for the financial team. 
 392 22:51:39
 393 FredericG
 394 Agreed, I suggest we vote on the steps and let the tresurers / secretary arrange the details and the best ways to put the intentions in reality. 
 395 22:52:14
 396 FD
 397 Then, the financial team will discuss details, and find a way to complete what was voted here, or report what might have been to blockades preventing the financial team to do like we thought it might have been done. 
 398 22:52:24
 399 FredericG
 400 @Etienne. This is also my opinion. 
 401 22:53:03
 402 Etienne
 403 How about: The finance team is working out a detailed plan to pool our finances. 
 404 22:54:38
 405 bdmc
 406 I would much rather see that plan presented to the Board for approval, instead of some vague "wish" from the Board to the Finance Team. 
 407 22:55:46
 408 bdmc
 409 This is a major change in CAcert, Inc. 
 410 22:55:52
 411 FD
 412 Well, as you wish. 
 413 22:56:10
 414 FredericG
 415 same 
 416 22:56:10
 417 bdmc
 418 I'm not the only one here. 
 419 22:57:26
 420 FredericG
 421 nothing to add from me on this topic 
 422 22:57:34
 423 Etienne
 424 Of course, bdmc. We start with FredericG list. The finance team prepares the detailed plan and submits it to us. 
 425 22:58:02
 426 FD
 427 Good idea. 
 428 22:58:08
 429 bdmc
 430 Then submit a motion. 
 431 22:58:55
 432 If that is how you want to notify the Finance Team of your wishes. 
 433 22:59:09
 434 FD
 435 Well, let's do Etienne write the motion? 
 436 23:00:18
 437 Etienne
 438 We start with FredericG list. Based on FredericG's four-point plan, the finance team works out a detailed plan of how CAcert Inc. will bundle the finances and submits it to the committee for discussion and approval. 
 439 23:00:40
 440 The mtion text could be: We start with FredericG list. Based on FredericG's four-point plan, the finance team works out a detailed plan of how CAcert Inc. will bundle the finances and submits it to the board for discussion and approval. 
 441 23:01:00
 442 FredericG
 443 perfect 
 444 23:01:22
 445 Etienne
 446 (sorry: only starting at "Based....." 
 447 23:01:53
 448 FredericG
 449 we understood 
 450 23:03:13
 451 bdmc
 452 I am not going to accept a motion that says "Based on FredericG's four-point plan...."   It doesn't say what his four point plan is. 
 453 23:03:31
 454 Etienne
 455 "Based on FredericG's four-point plan, the finance team works out a detailed plan of how CAcert Inc. will bundle the finances and submits it to the board for discussion and approval." 
 456 23:04:52
 457 bdmc
 458 Also, I think that we all have some saying about "all of our eggs in one basket." 
 459 23:05:42
 460 Etienne
 461 "Based on FredericG's four-point plan (Transfer all of our money from Westpac bank account to our new bank account in Switzerland, Carry on the relocation of our head office in Switzerland,  Close our Westpac bank account, Close the Australian Paypal account and open an new one in Switzerland or choose a new provider), the finance team works out a detailed plan of how CAcert Inc. will bundle the finances and submits it to the board for discussion and approval." 
 462 23:06:16
 463 FredericG
 464 great from me 
 465 23:06:47
 466 FD
 467 I guess Brian wants to warn us, that it could be a good idea to keep accounts opened in several countries. Did I understand you Brian? 
 468 23:08:16
 469 Etienne
 470 Maybe we want to close only one of two bank accounts in Australia for the moment? But I think, the Financial team should discuss this kind of things and  make some propositions to us. 
 471 23:08:49
 472 bdmc
 473 To a large extent, yes.  Certainly, most of our expenses are in EUR, while we get donations from all over the world. 
 474 23:09:24
 475 We can't keep using SecureU as a bank. 
 476 23:09:59
 477 egal: Or can we? 
 478 23:10:19
 479 egal
 480 @bdmc correct ... this could cause issues with german taxes / association rights ... 
 481 23:11:14
 482 FD
 483 Interesting topic, and I would love to better understand to position of Secure-U. 
 484 23:11:31
 485 But talking would be better than keyingé 
 486 23:11:33
 487 But talking would be better than keying 
 488 23:11:55
 489 bdmc
 490 Also, combining the Financial issues, changing bank accounts, with the change of location of CAcert, Inc, seems to be over-reaching for the Finance Team. 
 491 23:12:33
 492 egal
 493 we can explain the tax office, that there was a call for funding/... one time (or on a low/normal usage) ... but for long-term/high-amount i'm not sure ... 
 494 23:12:42
 495 FredericG
 496 Do we have to decide something about Secure-U receiving money on you behalf right now? 
 497 23:14:17
 498 egal
 499 @fredericg maybe it's a good idea to have somebody from secure-u at (or next to) the financial team to decide for future bank/...-accounts for CAcert ... 
 500 23:15:04
 501 FredericG
 502 more than welcome 
 503 23:17:18
 504 FD
 505 The rational of Frédéric G for giving priority to the Swiss bank account, is that it is expected far more easy to manage the Swiss bank account than to manage the Australian bank account. 
 506 23:18:47
 507 FredericG
 508 And I didn't write any delay or timeline to close the Westpac australian account. This is what I call details about the execution of the plan. 
 509 23:19:15
 510 FD
 511 Today, we may vote a motion to instruct the Financial team to present a way to restructure our bank accounts + Paypal setup, having in mind these priorities: lowering cost and complexity. 
 512 23:19:47
 513 egal
 514 ... and stability ... ;-) 
 515 23:20:11
 516 FD
 517 Doing that, we won't take decisions before analysis right now, however, we will have been able to move ahead. 
 518 23:21:28
 519 Etienne
 520 agree 
 521 23:21:54
 522 bdmc
 523 I find this much more attractive than the original proposal. 
 524 23:21:58
 525 FD
 526 I motion that the Finance team shall prepare and propose to the Committee a plan for restructuring our bank accounts + Paypal setup, having in mind these priorities: lowering cost and complexity, and enhancing stability. 
 527 23:22:15
 528 bdmc
 529 Second and Aye 
 530 23:22:15
 531 FredericG
 532 I second and aye 
 533 23:22:29
 534 FD
 535 Can I vote my own motion? 
 536 23:22:43
 537 bdmc
 538 FD: I expect you to. 
 539 23:22:52
 540 FD
 541 Good! I vote yes. 
 542 23:22:56
 543 bdmc
 544 Don't you approve of it? 
 545 23:22:58
 546 B-) 
 547 23:23:38
 548 Anybody else voting? 
 549 23:23:42
 550 Etienne
 551 aye 
 552 23:24:17
 553 bdmc
 554 I think that is all of us.  I see a pass, until the e-mail votes come in. 
 555 23:24:29
 556 FD
 557 yes: 4/4 = the motion is approved and passed 
 558 23:24:49
 559 bdmc
 560 Now, I really need to get back to work.  Will you take the Chair, Etienne, or would you rather someone else do it? 
 561 23:25:03
 562 Etienne
 563 OK 
 564 23:25:09
 565 FD
 566 Good afternoon, Brain! 
 567 23:25:14
 568 Good afternoon, Brian! 
 569 23:25:21
 570 FredericG
 571 By Brian! 
 572 23:25:23
 573 bdmc
 574 Good Night, All.  See you next time. 
 575 23:25:26
 576 FredericG
 577 bye 
 578 23:25:36
 579 Etienne
 580 good bye, Brian 
 581 23:25:51
 582 bdmc
 583 I will leave the machine running, but nobody will be home.  B-) 
 584 23:25:59
 585 FD
 586 Brian, do we meet tomorrow morning for completing the RIPE application? 
 587 23:26:10
 588 bdmc
 589 Peter said not Friday. 
 590 23:26:26
 591 ( At least, that's what my memory says. ) 
 592 23:26:44
 593 FD
 594 We could go ahead together, then invite him on Saturday for a final review. 
 595 23:27:00
 596 bdmc
 597 OK.  See you then. 
 598 23:27:03
 599 FD
 600 I say that, because Sunday the 23rd is our deadline. 
 601 23:27:12
 602 Ok fine! 
 603 23:27:39
 604 Etienne
 605 Any important news concerning Arbitration, FD? 
 606 23:28:20
 607 FD
 608 I have not been coming back to any arbitrator since our last meeting. 
 609 23:28:38
 610 Etienne
 611 No problem. Is someone from Infrastructure here to discuss 2.3? 
 612 23:29:15
 613 egal
 614 what is 2.3? 
 615 23:30:26
 616 Etienne
 617 Infrastructure Status 
 618 23:30:26
 619  
 620 23:30:26
 621     ??Applicants 
 622 23:30:26
 623     ??Hardware/Servers available and/or needed 
 624 23:30:26
 625         hot-spare signer 
 626 23:30:26
 627         moving sun1 to critical segment (as the old infra01-server is not needed for infra anymore) 
 628 23:30:48
 629 I do not know, if this is still a topic or just not removed froom the agenda. 
 630 23:31:19
 631 egal
 632 applicants? ... only jandd knows details 
 633 23:31:26
 634 hardware ... is available 
 635 23:31:50
 636 hot-spare-signer ... there was the "OK" on a meeting before 
 637 23:32:18
 638 sun1 -> critical ... is somehow in progress, can be done at next visit at BIT 
 639 23:32:32
 640 Etienne
 641 Thank you for this update, egal. 
 642 23:32:59
 643 egal
 644 infra03 ... running at my flat in velbert 24/7 ... will be installed in the rack at the next visit at BIT 
 645 23:33:33
 646 FD
 647 Apart the hardware matter, we should plan two meetings of the committee, for welcoming the new applicants, chosen for joining infrastructure (4 people), critical (1 people) and support (6 people). 
 648 23:33:56
 649 egal
 650 (there may be minor hardware-costs ... but nothing secure-u or CAcert has to worry about) 
 651 23:35:36
 652 Etienne
 653 FD, something like a virtual welcome apero? Or included in one of the next meetings? 
 654 23:36:06
 655 FD
 656 A virtual welcome apero is a pleasant idea. 
 657 23:36:45
 658 BTW, for the bandwidth issue at BIT, it was solved: the bandwidth is not capped at all, period. 
 659 23:37:02
 660 Guys. may we leave for bed? 
 661 23:37:09
 662 Etienne
 663 Thank you, Frédéric! 
 664 23:37:18
 665 Just two minutes, please! 
 666 23:37:22
 667 2.5 Policy Group: Please check with the policy group. It was a short discussion. It could use two or three more votes before we vote at the end of the month. https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-policy 
 668 23:37:52
 669 (2.6. Software will be skipped) 
 670 23:38:13
 671 egal
 672 @FD according to the invoice it is at 20 MBit/s (10 MBit/s before Corona) 
 673 23:38:34
 674 Etienne
 675 2.7. Critical: Something important, egal? If not... 
 676 23:38:47
 677 egal
 678 currently not ... 
 679 23:38:58
 680 Etienne
 681 Question Time? 
 682 23:38:58
 683 FD
 684 Good night then! 
 685 23:39:05
 686 Etienne
 687 Next meeting: 
 688 23:39:20
 689 Following the first thursday rule: Agree on date of the next Committee Meeting: 3. Sept 2020 
 690 23:39:31
 691 is this OK? 
 692 23:39:31
 693 FD
 694 OK, nice ! 
 695 23:40:07
 696 FredericG
 697 ok 
 698 23:40:07
 699 FD
 700 Question time: could we open a voice channel in parrallel to IRC, on the 3rd of September meeting? It would help to speed the talks up. 
 701 23:40:37
 702 Etienne
 703 Thank you MitchMaifeld, FD, egal, sat, bdmc, FredericG and all the visitors on the floor for joining us. The meeting is closed. 
 704 23:40:46
 705 FD: good idea. 
 706 23:41:14
 707 FredericG
 708 FD: indeed 
 709 23:41:18
 710 FD
 711 Bye Mitchell, thank you for your presence. 
 712 23:41:25
 713 Etienne
 714 Good night Europe, good afternoon America, good morning Australia! 
 715 23:41:25
 716 MitchMaifeld
 717 You are welcome! 
 718 23:41:29
 719 FredericG
 720 good night 
 721 23:41:41
 722 MitchMaifeld
 723 Good afternoon. 
 724 23:41:45
 725 FD
 726 @ Etienne, @ Frédéric G: what's about https://meet.jit.si/cacert then? 
 727 23:41:53
 728 ← MitchMaifeld est parti du salon  
 729 23:41:54
 730 FredericG
 731 yes 
 732 23:42:11
 733 Etienne
 734 What means "then"? 
 735 23:42:46
 736 FD
 737 what's about https://meet.jit.si/cacert on the 3rd of September? 
 738 23:43:06
 739 Etienne
 740 Before/during/after the meeting? 
 741 23:43:09
 742 FD
 743 As a voice channel in parallel to the IRC channel? 
 744 23:43:29
 745 Etienne
 746 OK in parallel. Let's try it. 
 747 23:43:39
 748 FD
 749 It was very helpful with Frederic G and me today. 
 750 23:43:50
 751 Hope to see you all then on Jitsi next time. 
 752 23:44:08
 753 FredericG
 754 Etienne Sharpen your French... 
 755 23:44:10
 756 FD
 757 In parallel to the IRC channel. 
 758 23:44:53
 759 Etienne
 760 FredericG: my family is from the French part since 1475. 
 761 23:45:10
 762 I am the first generation having not French as mother tongue. 
 763 23:45:42
 764 But with my wife I speak 90% French. 
 765 23:46:08
 766 FD
 767 Does Mireille speaks German too? 
 768 23:47:54
 769 Etienne
 770 Yes she does. At work and in the village. But not at home. 
 771 23:48:22
 772 egal
 773 when we've been at your site she did ... ;-) 
 774 23:49:30
 775 Etienne
 776 You are right, egal, when we have visitors from abroad... or from CAcert or both. 
 777 23:53:03
 778 FD
 779 Meine Herren, 
 780 23:53:04
 781 Ich wünsche Ihnen eine gute Nacht! 
 782 23:54:06
 783 Etienne
 784 Bonne nuit! 
 785 23:54:22
 786 ← FD est parti du salon (Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) 
 787 23:54:26
 788 Etienne
 789 Gute Nacht. Merci. (Oh, egal, schon wieder ein französisches Wort) 
 790 23:55:09