22:03:19 egal while you're talking about missing faces ... there is one of them ... ;-) 22:04:12 Etienne Sorry I'm late; it's mother's birthday and I'm packing for the holidays tomorrow morning... 22:04:26 bdmc True. For those of us who are here already, the Agenda is at: https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2020-07-16 22:05:23 Etienne: are you going far? 22:05:41 pnunn Lucky you @Etienne, no one here is allowed to go anywhere, were back in lockdown. 22:06:17 bdmc As are large parts of North America ( technically!! ). However, people are silly. 22:06:30 egal here in germany we are allowed to travel ... but should keep the social distance ... 22:06:38 Etienne We stay more or less at home - at my father's hunting hut in the mountains. Alone. 22:07:15 egal with or without internet? 22:07:19 bdmc egal: That is similar to the practice where I am. "Normal" behaviour, but wear masks and 2 m apart. 22:07:50 egal bdmc: and no bigger events like musicals etc. ... i know ... 22:08:11 pnunn I have to install some equipment in a data centre in Canberra next week and have to get permits to cross two state boarders... its crazy stuff for Australia. Not been like this since before 1900 when we federated. 22:08:13 bdmc No sports, no concerts, no plays, no.... 22:08:16 Etienne Mask for shopping in the village shop and Internet, if it is not in quarantine :-) 22:08:30 egal (only bigger events allowed if "somebody special" wants to advertise himself ... ;-( 22:09:05 bdmc Shall we plan on 20:10, whether we are all here or not? 22:09:24 pnunn Sounds good Brian. 22:09:43 * egal will then stay silent until asked ... ;-) 22:09:49 bdmc B-) 22:10:36 Here we go. I hereby call the meeting of the Board of CAcert, Inc. for 16 July 2020, to order. 22:11:12 Do I have a volunteer to create and manage the Minutes for this meeting? 22:12:10 I have a log running, as do a couple of others, so we can get an editor later. 22:12:29 Shall we try to keep this to less than six hours? Or does anybody have a sooner deadline? 22:12:59 egal 2hrs ... (with a 5 min break within the next hour) 22:13:00 Etienne Breakfast in New South Wales would be nice ;-) 22:13:28 bdmc Two hours sounds good to me. Perhaps less, if we can. 22:13:55 Anything in either of the mailing lists that we need to discuss outside of the Agenda? 22:15:06 bdmc As you notice, I am being very slow with the Agenda. If you need the speed to change, just say so. 22:15:40 Item 2.1.1 -- Arbitration Volunteers and Applicants. 22:15:49 Who wants to speak to this? 22:16:10 egal aehm ... what about my question about a hot-spare signer ... 22:16:43 ... and moving sun1 to critical segment (as the old infra01-server is not needed for infra anymore) 22:16:47 Etienne @egal: can we discuss this at 2.3.2? 22:16:58 egal sure ... ;-) 22:17:00 bdmc egal: I don't see those in the Agenda. Shall we insert them into 3? 22:17:18 As Etienne suggested. 22:18:44 bdmc Nothing about Arbitration? 22:19:23 All right. Item 2.2.1 PayPal update. 22:19:24 pnunn There have certainly been meetings since the last board meeting. I managed to get to one of them... 22:19:37 bdmc Is there anybody available to talk about this? 22:20:11 Sorry Peter. Backing up. Anything much to report? 22:20:58 pnunn It was the first meeting, it was decided, from memory that several people would be approached to start looking at cases and training. 22:21:00 Etienne Pypal: Not much has changed since last session. Bret is very active. He's taking a rather negative view of the situation at the moment regarding support from the authorities. Finance team is on it. 22:21:06 pnunn I'm not sure what else. 22:21:16 bdmc Thank you both. 22:21:36 On to Item 2.2.2 -- Bank Account 22:21:46 Etienne: Do you want to report anything? 22:23:16 Etienne Bank account is passiv operating: you can send money. Now, the finance team is looking how to send money. (As treasurer is living abroad, this take some more time until he has all by snail mail) 22:24:38 Etienne Arb: there were some video calls. FD could tell more. He has also the minutes. I followed only partly. Some people from the past are with us again. 22:24:43 bdmc Is there a reasonable way to publish this information? Perhaps the Wiki or News feed? It won't replace the "automatic" Paypal payments, but if people know how to do this, perhaps they will. 22:25:15 Etienne Yes, bank account information should be published in July 2020. 22:25:48 bdmc Thank you. Moving on. 22:25:59 Item 2.3.1 -- I 22:26:07 Infra+ 22:26:15 egal if it has to be published on our main web site, please create a bug (and ... if possible: provide the patch) so it can be reviewed and updated by software team 22:28:23 bdmc I would think two things. First, some kind of news article advertising the existence, and secondly, something in the Wiki where people can go to get information about giving us money. That one should already exist, and just needs modification. What do you all think? 22:29:36 pnunn Sounds fine. 22:29:53 Etienne exactly, bdmc, but egal is right too, as there are PP buttons on the main website and informations about the Westpac account for Australia. 22:30:57 bdmc True. Need to cover all of the possibilities. Are we going to completely remove PP, or just add other options? 22:31:47 pnunn I guess at the moment the Westpac account is still a viable option for anyone in AU. 22:32:08 Etienne Since 29.12.2019 PP is no more working until a day in a blue moon 22:32:17 bdmc True. We still have access to that account. 22:32:48 So I move that we remove all references to Paypal from our website. 22:32:55 pnunn Lets remove any mention of PP. They don't deserver their cut. 22:33:01 seconded 22:33:24 Etienne aye 22:33:24 bdmc Discussion, or a call for a vote? 22:33:30 pnunn aye 22:33:43 bdmc I guess that we are voting. In that case, Aye. 22:34:32 I thought that "sat" was here, but perhaps not. 22:35:05 So, for the members present, it passes. Etienne, would you please add that to the Voting System? 22:35:36 pnunn Speaking of voting systems.. doesn't work for me. But not a real issue. 22:35:58 Etienne Allready done. For the minutes, you have to do it on your own (mail some hours ago) 22:36:17 bdmc Now, moving on to Item 2.3.1 -- Infrastructure. 22:36:25 Etienne @pnunn you may tell/mail me your vote and I get it in. 22:36:30 egal and: please create a new bug, create a patch for this bug ... if I do so we'll not be able to get it reviewed ... ;-( 22:36:53 bdmc pnunn: Yes, I had problems myself, until somebody waved their magic wand. 22:36:55 pnunn Sounds good @Etienne. 22:37:51 bdmc egal: I will mail myself a reminder, and try to remember how to get back into software development. B-) 22:38:25 pnunn I had a read of the email traffic about the infra from @egal. It all made sense to me, but I'm no expert in the minutia of the rules. 22:38:36 → FD est entré 22:38:44 bdmc FD: Welcome home! 22:38:52 We are just getting into 2.3.1. 22:39:04 FD Hello Brian, Hello everyone! 22:39:44 Etienne Bonsoir 22:39:50 bdmc 2.3.1 has to do with new people. How is that going, or do you know, egal? 22:40:11 pnunn Sorry, thought we had moved to 2.3.2 :) 22:40:36 bdmc We might be, unless somebody has something to say. 22:41:18 egal: When do you want your five minute break? 22:42:29 egal at the time FD is talking about arbitration ... ;-) 22:43:03 bdmc Do you want us to go back there now, or start with items 2.3.2(a, b and c )? 22:43:32 egal reagrding new volunteers: i've been in several meetings with FD and volunteers, but jandd and ales are doing the job for infra and support ... 22:43:44 (me being busy most of the time ...) 22:43:46 bdmc That was what I thought. 22:44:04 So, let us charge forward into Item(s) 2.3.2. 22:44:24 egal maybe FD is able to tell more 22:44:24 bdmc Part A -- New equipment 22:44:36 We will go back to that later. 22:45:30 egal: Do you have a "shopping list?" I seem to remember things in the mailing list. 22:45:46 egal currently no shopping list anymore ... ;-) 22:45:48 but ... 22:46:19 i do have a spare R300 machine on my desk ... (the same machine as the broken signer) ... 22:46:29 bdmc How did the server transfer go? I remember seeing discussion of plans, but not about the result. 22:46:48 Somebody was carrying a machine from here to there. 22:47:18 egal as infra got the luxemburg-server (now: infra03) the "old" infra01 (sun1) is not necessary for infra anoymore ... 22:48:08 ... as sun1 is the same hardware as sun2 has, i suggest to set up a hot-spare signer (as we're not able to access this machine remotely) ... 22:48:12 bdmc egal: OK. So we have the primary server which you repaired. Is there a backup there? And, there is a "good" signer, and a broken one? 22:48:33 egal ... and use sun1 as a cold-spare replacement for sun2 (sun2 = www.cacert.org) 22:49:09 so in case of a hardware-failure we're then able to switch to the second setup without the need to travel to BIT immediately 22:49:21 bdmc sun1 ( inactive ) = sun2 ( active ) = www.cacert.org. 22:49:52 signer ( active ) = broken signer ( inactive ) = R300 ( needs to be built ) 22:49:55 All correct? 22:50:30 egal we do have the borken one (dead ... in velbert), the "april"-replacement-machine (running at BIT) and an additinal one (now on my desk in solingen) ... all are (more-or-less) identical 22:51:01 bdmc egal: Do I understand that if the R300 was in BIT, you could ask the staff there to move cables in case of failure? 22:51:48 egal if we use sun1 + hot-spare signer, BIT employees don't have to do anything ... ;-) 22:52:00 we can switch to the second setup remotely 22:52:31 bdmc Ah, I thought that you would need to physically change connections to activate the spare signer. All the better. 22:52:53 So, what do you need from us to cover this plan? 22:53:44 egal a) do we want a hot-spare signer (consumes power, will raise the invoice for ~10 or 15€/month) 22:54:18 b) do we want to move sun1 from infra to critical (so we have a complete backup, no matter if hot or cold spare) 22:54:29 bdmc My answer to (a) is Yes, especially considering the state of the world at the moment. I am remembering April. 22:55:21 Also for (a), we have all of the other equipment powered up, so the only difference would be the "new" signer, correct? 22:56:33 egal currently sun1 is powered off (to save power and therefore money), can be switched on remotely if needed 22:56:33 bdmc For (b), Infrastructure already has a running replacement for "sun1," don't they? 22:57:18 egal infra03 ... which is currently running 24/7 in velbert (and will be added to the rack during my next visit) 22:57:31 bdmc OK, so the (a) option involves adding two machines to the power bill. I still say yes. 22:57:49 egal (a) is one machine (the signer) 22:58:14 (b) sun1 can be cold-standby ... does not need to run 24/7 22:58:37 (but to be moved from infra to critical segment) 22:58:42 bdmc Oh, I thought that we were adding another "cacert.org" machine -- Ahhh. I see. Configured and ready to go, but powered down. 22:58:53 egal correct 22:59:03 pnunn It all works for me. 22:59:30 bdmc And the backup signer would be connected to it, or both, or just the primary? 23:00:05 egal current signer to sun2 (www.cacert.org), spare signer to sun1 23:00:35 bdmc Thank you. In any case, what do you need from us to make this happen? 23:01:12 egal the OK to move sun1 from infra to critical segment ... ;-) 23:01:43 bdmc That's all? Do we have "approved lists" of equipment assigned to each "department? 23:02:03 egal (according to our policies it can't be moved back to infra anymore ...) 23:02:23 bdmc It sounds as if we have that problem covered already. 23:02:35 Shall I make a motion for the Board? 23:02:47 egal good idea ... ;-) 23:03:21 bdmc I move that the machine designated "sun1" be reassigned from the Infrastructure Team to the Critical Team. 23:03:56 Etienne second and aye 23:04:00 FD Abstain 23:04:00 pnunn aye 23:04:06 bdmc Aye 23:04:16 OK. One down. 23:04:25 Item 2.3.2 B -- CRL 23:04:35 egal: You're up 23:05:23 ( change my item name as needed ) 23:05:50 egal CRL ... hopefully everybody has read my email regarding the CRL ... 23:06:06 currently there are quite a lot download of the complete (big) CRL ... 23:06:19 FD This is why I proposed to have a short call all together. 23:06:39 egal we do have bugs to shrink the CRL, but these bugs require testing and reviews (after testing) 23:07:04 bdmc To clarify in my own mind, this machine would serve a Read-Only copy of the CRL, and maintenance of that list would occur elsewhere, correct, or am I all wrong? 23:07:16 egal as these donwloads consume most of our bandwith, it's currently limited on he server ... otherwise we wouldn't be able to serve our services ... ;-( 23:07:59 the possibility to move the CRL outside of our rack will give us more bandwith for our services ... 23:08:32 and: the CRL is created on our signer, therefore digitally signed ... and can't be modified ... ;-) 23:09:41 egal it's only serving a static file from this server ... nothing more ... 23:09:51 bdmc Because it is Read-Only and signed, it doesn't need a high-security server, for that file. 23:10:14 egal correct ... 23:10:31 pnunn Seems reasonable to me. 23:10:49 bdmc I am ready to write the motion, but will wait for any further discussion. 23:11:12 egal (however: it should be under control of critical team as the private key for crl.cacert.org should be the same on all CRL-servers) 23:11:17 (there can be more than only one) 23:11:27 pnunn I assume this is a one way process @egal. 23:11:31 bdmc That was how I was going to write the motion. 23:12:00 FD For over 3000€/year, we should ne able to bargain with BIT a higher bitrate than the existing 20/20Mbps. I would recommend to go that way first, upgrading our IP transit at no cost. I am ready to start talking with BIT on that. 23:12:22 Wouldn't be a way to solve the CRL/OSCP issue? 23:12:31 bdmc Yes, the file is prepared on the signer, and can be delivered from anywhere. 23:13:04 pnunn Do you have concerns with moving this @FD? 23:13:38 FD My concern is not a matter of security, but rather adding yet another piece of complexity 23:13:51 At the moment, we have everything at BIT 23:14:01 It is easy to communicate on that 23:14:09 pnunn Fair point. 23:14:12 bdmc Doesn't Infrastructure have "outside" machines? 23:14:19 FD People outsoide of CAcert are not always too much techy 23:14:36 So, for them, everything is hosted in a secured data center. 23:14:47 An easy image to understand. 23:15:16 As I do believe IP transit cost nearly nothing by nowdays, 23:15:19 egal @FD 3 of 4 nameservers are outside of our rack ... 23:15:31 bdmc FD: and what about this is not that? Just because we move outside of a particular rack in BIT, why is this not a secured data centre? 23:15:48 egal monitoring is done from outside ... 23:16:47 FD I just say: the CRL/OSCP functions are percived by the public as belonging to our core business 23:17:26 From the point of view of our image, it is easy to explain that we have them hosted in the same data center then everything else. 23:17:31 My to cents. 23:18:05 pnunn @FD is correct about the transit costs, I've just had mine doubled at no cost last week. If that is the problem, perhaps that is worth asking. 23:18:21 FD Thank you, Peter, 23:18:26 egal it's the possiblity to move crl.cacert.org outside ... not a "must" ... ;-) 23:18:30 FD this is my very point, nothing more. 23:19:21 pnunn Is it worth pursuing FD's suggestion first... I guess if they say no we can always circle back to this? 23:19:31 FD Especially when paying over 3000€ per year for hosting 23:19:39 pnunn And more bandwidth is always a good thing :) 23:19:57 FD I am happy to have been understood. :-) 23:20:32 I am ready to start talking with BIT on that. 23:20:39 However, officially, Secure-U owns the contract with BIT, not CAcert. I am a member of CAcert, no a member of Secure-U. But I could at least initiate the business talk, make an appendix to the contract to be prepare, then let the Secure-U official representative to sign it. 23:21:22 bdmc FD: Does Secure-U want you to do this? 23:21:39 pnunn Has to be worth a shot. Would that atleast mitigate the problem @egal? 23:22:25 egal FD: we're unsure, how much traffic it really consumes ... if we double the speed, it could be used completely, too ... as the CRL is quite big currenly 23:22:42 FD @Brian: I am happy with Secure-U driving the talks alone. Just proposed to help in the matter. 23:23:16 bdmc I guess that what I was asking was whether Secure-U has any interest in such a conversation. 23:24:22 egal FD: let's discuss the secure-u details via TG ... 23:24:44 FD Fine with me. 23:24:54 Etienne I mean, we could give it a try. If there is more bandwidth and it's still not enough, we'll outsource that and use the bandwidth for the rest of our services. 23:25:08 pnunn I agree Etienne. 23:25:20 FD I agree Etienne, too. 23:25:25 bdmc OK. So no motion at the moment. Perhaps one at the next meeting. 23:26:13 FD: Before you were able to get here, we flew past Agenda Item 2.1.1 -- Arbitration. Would you like to talk on that, now? 23:26:38 FD This is a very difficult, very entangled matter. 23:27:27 On the 8th of July if I recall right, we have been able to gather most of the still alive arbitrators. 23:27:45 Mario was there, Philipp too, Andreas did not come. 23:28:22 All the others went (Lambert, Bernhardt, Ian Alastair). Etienne joined too. 23:28:39 Dirk participated as well. 23:28:43 But... 23:28:59 the output was not easy to read. 23:29:44 Here are the live minutes which we wrote at the time: https://kabendzie.ellis.siteparc.fr/s/3SL4bodDmoMFLdm 23:30:45 FD According to the minutes, it it not obvious what are the practical useful output of the meeting. 23:31:08 At least, most of the arbitrators took an action point to be done. 23:31:39 I failed to make an efficient synthesis of the talk. 23:33:02 FD I ask Dirk and Etienne for help at making that short report more understandable, as they were there too. 23:33:32 pnunn Has anything happened on the temporary relaxation of the current road blocks (or is this what we are discussing)? 23:34:11 FD I am not sure about it. 23:34:54 Philipp acheived to convince everybody that there were no actually blocking blocks on the road, whatever he had ruled in the past 23:35:18 pnunn OK that's confusing. 23:36:31 FD because with the common law, it is enough to do it "around" the rule, and this is ok if nobody challenges your decision. So basically, Bernhard could start again to act as an Arbitrator, whatever the "two heads of power" ruling of Philipp said against that. 23:37:06 bdmc I don't remember that being how we operated in the past. 23:37:37 pnunn But didn't the board ask that that the Arbitrators look at putting aside that ruling for a time anyway? 23:37:54 bdmc Exactly 23:38:10 FD And we, the Committee, could start to make new comers work into the team, eaven if they do not have their background been checked by Arbitration yet, because the circumstances explain our decision, and as nobody will challenge our decision, it will be good under the common law. 23:38:11 pnunn Who needs to make that decision? I understand its not the board. 23:38:39 Oh.. OK. Se we didn't need the ruling anyway? 23:38:50 Sorry, the motion to ask. 23:39:36 FD Basically, according to Philipp, nobody needs to make a "green light" decision. It is enough to decide to do it, without previous permission. If nobody attacks our decision later, we were right to have done like that, whatever it might have been. 23:39:52 Etienne At the moment (until a ruling) we have both: Dunkel's recommendation on how we can act in his opinion. And the two pending cases at Arb - still open how they decide. 23:40:19 bdmc But that would be "interfering in the operations and independence of Arbitration." 23:40:31 Etienne But Dunkel has also clearly pointed out that in such cases this should be well justified. 23:41:05 pnunn and I guess if anyone decided to object, then everything comes to a complete halt again.. that sounds dangerous. 23:41:40 FD Philipp's logic is all about: act first with as much common sense you can have, ask for permission later (i.e. if nobody disputes your past decision, you are good, you are permitted to have done it). 23:42:44 pnunn If everyone is acting in "good faith" there should be no issues I guess, but that assumes everyone involved in CACert is of that mind set... hmm.. 23:42:45 Etienne This is Dunkel's view. We'll see who takes the two cases and how he decides. 23:43:14 FD So, most of us were quite confused by the logic, this is why the output of the meeting kept unclear. 23:43:47 pnunn I see what you mean @FD. So do we just wait for the ruling or not? 23:44:29 FD I have not a bare idea. I got lost at the end of the meeting, with the deep feeling that my IQ had dropped under 100. 23:44:42 pnunn :) 23:45:01 bdmc FD: Shall I move on, and let you recover? 23:45:27 Etienne If we have good arguments for clear needs, we can bend the rules in advance, says Dunkel. 23:45:53 If I understood him well. 23:45:56 bdmc There are others in this organisation that would disagree with that idea. 23:46:04 Etienne :-) 23:46:14 pnunn Certainly some recently past ones I feel. 23:47:21 pnunn And I guess that's the danger. If one of them decides to pop up again and throws in a hand grenade, were back a square one with cases that can't be handled. 23:47:28 FD Yes, you are right, Etienne. I understood the same. Philipp wanting to become the General Attorney of CAcert, i.e. the person that advice the Committee about how much it can realistically "bend the rules", without going outlaw. 23:47:32 bdmc OK. Shall we move on, and come back to this next meeting. We have a few items left on the Agenda. Does anybody have anything that they want to get to, or shall we talk about the AGM? 23:47:35 pnunn Surely a clear relaxation of the rules first would be a better thing. 23:47:48 bdmc pnunn: I completely agree. 23:47:58 pnunn Sorry Brian... move on. 23:48:24 FD pnunn: you are very right. 23:49:07 bdmc Item 2.4.2 -- AGM Date 23:49:20 FD In fact, Philipp has been a kind of Jesus for us, showing us a light we did not think before it could exist. 23:49:51 bdmc Are we prepared to choose a more definite date --- Sorry. I guess that we will stay with Arbitration for a while longer. 23:50:11 pnunn I'm done Brian. 23:51:13 FD Nothing to add, let's go ahead, Brian. 23:51:58 bdmc Last meeting, we said that we should hold the AGM in November. Do we want to get more definite today, or wait? 23:52:49 FD For instance, let's choose the 4th of November. 23:53:08 it is a Wednesday. 23:53:21 A strong argument. 23:54:12 pnunn Just out of interest, do we need/want to have any of these rulings about relaxation of the rules done and presented to the AGM or is that not an issue we want to put out in that forum? 23:54:13 bdmc As I remember, we have tended to hold that meeting on a Saturday, so that people all over the world who work during the week, can attend. 23:54:42 pnunn: I don't think that that applies there, but.... 23:54:55 pnunn It may be poking the bear I guess.. just a question, no opinion. 23:55:53 The weekend probably works better for the global audience. 23:56:03 FD Of course, you are right 23:57:05 pnunn So I guess the 7th? 23:57:12 If my math is correct? 23:57:49 FD Perfect. 23:58:13 pnunn Amazing.. got it right this early in the morning, might be a good day :) 23:58:38 bdmc Any other offers? 23:58:39 Going once.... 23:59:22 Going twice...... 00:00:35 egal for the AGM ... don't forget to ask for team reports in time ... teamleads need time to compile these reports 00:00:42 bdmc I move that the 2020 Annual General Meeting of CAcert, Inc. be held on Saturday, 7 November 2020, at 20:00 UTC. 00:00:56 pnunn seconded and aye 00:01:03 bdmc egal: Exactly. One week before, or earlier? 00:01:14 FD I vote yes, too. 00:01:16 egal 20:00 UTC? ... everybody familiar with it? ... don't forget, that it's the winter time 00:01:26 bdmc: asking NOW ... ;-) 00:01:45 bdmc Yes, being Saturday, we could make it earlier, except for Australia. 00:01:47 Etienne aye 00:01:52 pnunn Date has been set, no reason to not ask now. 00:01:58 egal (team reports cover the financial year ... means july to june ...) 00:02:03 bdmc egal: Oh, yes. I was talking about their deadline. 00:02:29 Incidentally, Aye. 00:02:48 FD https://www.worldtimeserver.com/meeting-planner-times.aspx?&L0=US-NC&Day=7&Mon=11&Y=2020&L1=CH&L2=AU... 00:02:52 bdmc egal: Motion, or just a directive? 00:03:11 egal no motion needed to ask for team reports ... 00:03:22 bdmc That's what I thought, just checking. 00:04:05 egal (but one of you should be in charge to get reports from the teams ... and don't forget to write team reports for the teams board is TL of ... ;-) ) 00:04:25 bdmc Etienne: Please contact all Team Leads, on behalf of the Board ( Committee ), and request that their Annual Reports be in your hands by ( whenever you want them ). 00:04:55 egal either in his hands ... or added directly to the wiki ... 00:05:07 bdmc Etienne: Or would you prefer that one of the rest of us manage that? 00:05:39 Etienne no, no, that is ok 00:06:05 bdmc Well, we have five minutes before we go over our two hours. 00:06:06 Etienne I am the secretary, because I cannot programming and similar stuff. 00:07:09 pnunn Anyone can program Etienne, Microsoft prove that every day. 00:07:22 bdmc Anything anybody wants to bring up, any questions, or should we move on to the date of the next meeting? 00:07:30 FD Yes, if I may. 00:07:49 A few words about our next grant application at the RIPE NCC. 00:08:02 Traditionally, the windows for submitting it takes place in August. 00:08:12 We got well prepared to submit it in an efficient way, because of the work we did on it past year, whom part of it can be easily reused. And because of the briefing we got from Nuno later in the year. 00:08:27 Who would like to work on it with me? Basically, we are talking about a few dozen thousand euros of subsidies, for helping us at putting our Software Development at work. 00:08:58 bdmc FD: You beat me to it. I was going to suggest a sub-committee. 00:09:06 I will be happy to join you. 00:09:18 pnunn If I can be of any assistance. 00:09:31 FD Yes Peter, with great pleasure 00:10:05 We should expect the work to take at least 2x half a day of cooperative work. 00:10:15 pnunn Sounds fine. 00:10:23 FD 2x 3~4hours 00:10:23 pnunn So three of us? 00:10:58 FD I wanted to involve Bernhardt, too. What team is he the leader, btw? 00:11:21 egal education 00:11:27 FD Education? 00:11:36 What is that? 00:12:23 pnunn Something we all do from home these days apparently. 00:13:05 egal he is "master or CATS" ... ;-) 00:13:20 (btw ... we do have a list of TLs in our wiki ... ;-) ) 00:13:51 FD Oh, thank you, I know I should browse the wiki more often. 00:13:58 bdmc FD: First session this weekend, or later? 00:14:05 FD Well, I am going to share with you on Kabendzie a template of the RIPE NCC grant application form, preloaded with our answers from past year. 00:14:09 We will have to: 00:14:59 - choose the topic (for instance, developing an integration between Open Authentification and CAcert, an idea of Dirk) 00:15:16 - work a lot on the milestones to do it; 00:16:20 FD - work a lot on the key perfomance indicators. They have to be convinced that we thought about the project enough to see in reflected in relevant KPI. 00:16:52 Brian, I am at your disposal in the week-end. 00:16:57 Peter? 00:17:44 pnunn Its going to be cold and wet here all weekend, and I'm in lockdown, so whatever works for you. 00:18:15 bdmc Saturday evening for FD, Sunday morning for you, Peter? 00:18:24 pnunn Sure. 00:18:31 FD https://www.worldtimeserver.com/meeting-planner-times.aspx?&L0=US-NC&Day=18&Mon=7&Y=2020&L1=CH&L2=AU... 00:18:57 bdmc pnunn: You wouldn't want it much earlier, though, would you? 00:18:58 FD Guys, it means 23:00 for me. I won't be fresh. 00:19:23 pnunn Happy to make it night my time if that works better. 00:19:23 bdmc Oh. You have moved East, have you. 00:19:26 FD I would prefer 12:00 UTC, i.e 7:00 AM for you Brian :-) 00:19:44 bdmc If that translates well for Peter, fine with me. 00:20:12 pnunn Not sure what that works out too.. 00:20:27 Yeh, 9pm that's fine. 00:20:42 FD will be 21:00 for Peter. I can adjust as must as you want, but another time will make it too earlier for you Brian. 00:20:59 pnunn That works for me. 00:21:14 FD 12:00 on Saterday, rigthÉ 00:21:19 ? 00:21:28 Again: 00:21:46 12:00 UTC on Saturday, right? 00:21:51 bdmc Count me in. Noon Saturday UTC. 00:21:57 pnunn Done. 00:21:58 FD Very good. 00:22:11 I am going to send you the hyperlinks. 00:22:21 bdmc Well, we have dragged this meeting on far too long. Next meeting -- Early August, Late July? 00:22:48 pnunn August for me, late July is going to be busy. 00:23:08 FD If we win a subsidy at the RIPE NCC, it would be a so good news for CAcert! 00:23:12 bdmc Any other votes? 00:24:12 First Thursday in August? 00:24:25 pnunn OK. 00:24:34 FD May we avoid the first week of August? I am with the children on vacation, i.e busy and lacking sleep. :-) 00:24:55 bdmc One for and one against. Second Thursday? 00:25:06 pnunn Any August is good for me. 00:25:18 FD Second Thursday is fine with me. 00:25:30 bdmc Two for. Etienne? 00:25:44 Etienne 6 or 13 ist ok 00:25:53 FD Thursday the 13th, right? 00:26:02 Etienne yes 00:26:29 bdmc All right. Since there don't seem to be any other votes, please set the second Thursday in August at 20:00 UTC for the next meeting, Etienne. 00:27:10 Etienne ok 00:27:11 FD Thank you. 00:27:15 bdmc And with that, I would like to declare this meeting adjourned. 00:27:16 Etienne Do not forget to have a look at Policy group & vote for the minutes of the last meeting. 00:27:31 bdmc Good night all. 00:27:52 Have a good day, Peter. Got any good books, or computers to play with? 00:28:02 Etienne enjoy your breakfast pnunn, good night others 00:28:07 pnunn Good morning all, enjoy the holiday @Etienne. Talk soon bdmc and FD. 00:28:15 I must remember to lay off the red before our meeting :) 00:28:25 FD Bye Peter, goodbye everybody. 00:30:18 FD Who is copy-pasting the log of the meeting to the Wiki. 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