1 [21:00] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> hello
   2 [21:00] <sat> hi christophe! sascha here
   3 [21:01] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> hey Sascha
   4 [21:01] --> bdmc (bdmc@user-0c8huj1.cable.mindspring.com) hat #board-meeting betreten
   5 [21:01] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> hey Brian
   6 [21:01] <bdmc> I apologise.  I thought that this was an hour from now.
   7 [21:01] <sat> you're just in time
   8 [21:02] <bdmc> Do we have enough to formally start?
   9 [21:02] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> 20 UTC, but normally (reading the mails) it's 21 UTC
  10 [21:02] <sat> etienne has not said anything yet
  11 [21:03] <bdmc> OK.  I see three of us "logged in," but only two speaking, yet.
  12 [21:03] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> 3 people : Me, Brian and Sascha
  13 [21:04] <bdmc> But you, Christophe, aren't officially a Board Member, yet, as far as I know.
  14 [21:04] <bdmc> Let me re-check Etinne's invitation.
  15 [21:05] <bdmc> No, it says 20.
  16 [21:05] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> indeed. I just want to inform you who's online
  17 [21:05] <sat> egal: Dirk, are you still there?
  18 [21:05] <bdmc> Yes, I know.  There are also Dirk and Karl-Heinz' servers ( log machines ), and Dirk's other machine.
  19 [21:06] <bdmc> Lambert may or may not be here.
  20 [21:07] <bdmc> Someone with more privileges can put the link to the Agenda in the "title," but here it is until then.
  21 [21:07] <bdmc> https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2020-02-13
  22 [21:07] <sat> I tried it already, but only nb has such right
  23 [21:08] <bdmc> I doubt that Nick is actually here, just his machine.
  24 [21:11] --> Treasurer (Treasurer@2a01:e0a:25a:9160::a) hat #board-meeting betreten
  25 [21:12] <sat> 3!
  26 [21:12] <-- Etienne (2efdbfd9@localhost) hat das Netzwerk verlassen (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand-crafted IRC client)
  27 [21:14] --> Etienne (2efdbfd9@localhost) hat #board-meeting betreten
  28 [21:14] <Treasurer> Bonsoir Etienne
  29 [21:15] <Etienne> Hello, I had some issues with the connection.
  30 [21:15] <sat> Our agenda: https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2020-02-13
  31 [21:15] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> bonsoir Etienne
  32 [21:15] <sat> motion system: https://motion.cacert.org/motions/
  33 [21:17] <bdmc> Greetings and welcome to the party, Etienne.
  34 [21:17] <bdmc> Shall we begin the formal part, now, and hope that others join us?
  35 [21:17] <sat> yes, please
  36 [21:17] <Etienne> Yes, bdmc, we are 4...
  37 [21:18] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> ok
  38 [21:18] <bdmc> In that case, I hereby call this meeting of the Board of CAcert, Inc. to order.
  39 [21:19] <sat> I'll make minutes
  40 [21:19] <bdmc> As usual, I need to ask whether anybody has deadlines.
  41 [21:19] <bdmc> Thank you Sascha.
  42 [21:20] <bdmc> Less than two hours, all right with everybody?
  43 [21:20] <sat> ok
  44 [21:20] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> ok
  45 [21:20] <Treasurer> agreed
  46 [21:21] <bdmc> May I have a motion to accept the minutes from our last meeting, or does anybody want to discuss that?
  47 [21:21] <sat> I move that the minutes of the board meeting from 2020-01-09 be accepted.
  48 [21:21] <Etienne> second and aye
  49 [21:22] <Treasurer> aye
  50 [21:22] <bdmc> All in favour?
  51 [21:22] <bdmc> aye
  52 [21:22] <sat> aye
  53 [21:22] <bdmc> Carried
  54 [21:22] <Treasurer> Thank you Sascha for your last minutes, that helps Etienne
  55 [21:22] <bdmc> Are there any conversations in the Board or Board Private mailing lists that need to be discussed here?
  56 [21:23] <bdmc> Incidentally, Christophe was asking where he could get information, and I suggested Board Private.  Does he have access to that?
  57 [21:24] <sat> i doubt that
  58 [21:24] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> not yet
  59 [21:24] <sat> i have no access yet, too
  60 [21:26] <bdmc> Etienne: Are you still connected, or are you still having connection issues?
  61 [21:26] <Etienne> still here
  62 [21:26] <bdmc> Do you know anything about access to Board Private?
  63 [21:27] <-> Treasurer heißt jetzt Frederic-Treasurer
  64 [21:28] <Etienne> If we agree, I can ask to the list owner to  add Christophe
  65 [21:28] <Etienne> It take usually only some hours.
  66 [21:28] <bdmc> I recommend that both Sacha and Christophe be added.
  67 [21:28] <sat> I just noticed that I got access finally.
  68 [21:28] <Etienne> Sascha is allready.
  69 [21:28] <bdmc> Wow.  That was fast!  B-)
  70 [21:28] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> superb
  71 [21:29] <Frederic-Treasurer> Yes, it is part of the welcome package for Christophe. May be Bret, too?
  72 [21:29] <bdmc> That is up to you and Christophe, and the other members of the Board.
  73 [21:30] <bdmc> We could also discuss a private channel for the Finance committee.
  74 [21:30] <Frederic-Treasurer> Understood. We will arrange these details with Christophe and Bret
  75 [21:30] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> that should be great
  76 [21:31] <Etienne> It depends on how strongly he is committed: just finances or a slightly broader view of everything.
  77 [21:31] <bdmc> Etienne: I agree.
  78 [21:31] <bdmc> OK, coming back to the Agenda.
  79 [21:31] <bdmc> Item 1.6 -- Action Items
  80 [21:31] <bdmc> Anything to report?
  81 [21:32] <Frederic-Treasurer> We are still fighting against Paypal
  82 [21:33] <Frederic-Treasurer> Etienne and I (and Christophe) are waiting February 20th, which is the date fixed by Finance Regulation Ombudsman
  83 [21:34] <Etienne> Yes, more information at 2.3.1.
  84 [21:34] <Frederic-Treasurer> so, let's move on
  85 [21:35] <Etienne> That is a motion: "I would like to thank Megan R for her services as data protection officer. She took over this position in a difficult time and under great political pressure. She was the first Data Protection Officer and we regret that she has had to give up this post because of the United Kingdom's leaving the European Union. We hereby dismiss 
  86 [21:35] <Etienne> her with great regret and our sincere thanks for her unselfish assistance."
  87 [21:35] <bdmc> I will second that.
  88 [21:35] <Etienne> aye
  89 [21:35] <Frederic-Treasurer> aye
  90 [21:35] <bdmc> Sorry, stop.
  91 [21:36] <bdmc> That isn't a formal motion.
  92 [21:36] <bdmc> Who is "I"?
  93 [21:36] <Etienne> We?
  94 [21:37] <Etienne> "The committee"
  95 [21:37] <Frederic-Treasurer> "The board"?
  96 [21:37] <Frederic-Treasurer> bdmc you're right
  97 [21:37] <bdmc> That would sound better.
  98 [21:37] <Etienne> Officialy, the board is named "committee" ;-)
  99 [21:37] <bdmc> How about "The Board of CAcert, Inc. would like to ..
 100 [21:37] <bdmc> OK, use Committee.
 101 [21:37] <Etienne> The committee of CAcert Inc. would like to thank Megan R for her services as data protection officer. She took over this position in a difficult time and under great political pressure. She was the first Data Protection Officer and we regret that she has had to give up this post because of the United Kingdom's leaving the European Union. We hereby 
 102 [21:37] <Etienne> dismiss her with great regret and our sincere thanks for her unselfish assistance.
 103 [21:38] <Frederic-Treasurer> bdmc thank you for your falcon eye
 104 [21:38] <bdmc> Capitalise Committee.
 105 [21:38] <Etienne> The Committee of CAcert Inc. would like to thank Megan R for her services as data protection officer. She took over this position in a difficult time and under great political pressure. She was the first Data Protection Officer and we regret that she has had to give up this post because of the United Kingdom's leaving the European Union. We hereby 
 106 [21:38] <Etienne> dismiss her with great regret and our sincere thanks for her unselfish assistance.
 107 [21:38] <bdmc> Then I will be happy to re-second.
 108 [21:38] <Etienne> aye
 109 [21:38] <Frederic-Treasurer> aye
 110 [21:38] <sat> aye
 111 [21:38] <bdmc> aye
 112 [21:38] <bdmc> Carried
 113 [21:38] <sat> shall I insert that in the motion system?
 114 [21:39] <Etienne> yes, please
 115 [21:39] <sat> ok
 116 [21:39] <Etienne> To replace Megan, I asked Gero and he agreed. That was before the Brexit in view of the then possible Brexit.
 117 [21:39] <bdmc> Thank you.  That was Agenda Item 2.1.1 -- Not exactly a Nomination.  However, Item 2.1.2 is.
 118 [21:40] <bdmc> Shall we create that motion and vote?
 119 [21:40] <Etienne> The Committee of CAcert Inc appoint Gero Treuner as data protection officer. He is a resident of the European Union and therefore fulfils the legal requirements.
 120 [21:41] <bdmc> "appoint" => "appoints"
 121 [21:41] <Etienne> The Committee of CAcert Inc appoints Gero Treuner as data protection officer. He is a resident of the European Union and therefore fulfils the legal requirements.
 122 [21:41] <bdmc> second
 123 [21:41] <Etienne> aye
 124 [21:41] <bdmc> aye
 125 [21:41] <Frederic-Treasurer> is it a motion? I believe it was "I move to..."
 126 [21:42] <Frederic-Treasurer> believed
 127 [21:42] <bdmc> ( I don't mind being quick on this, since Gero "volunteered," but Frederic is correct. )
 128 [21:42] <Etienne> There are usages, but as far as I know the form is not necessarily fixed anywhere.
 129 [21:42] <bdmc> Agreed.  You, Etienne, may say "I move that Gero be appointed."
 130 [21:43] <bdmc> True, but we have tended to follow that convention.
 131 [21:43] <Etienne> Let's do from now on.
 132 [21:43] <Frederic-Treasurer> I learned from Etienne, my God on procedures :-)
 133 [21:44] <Frederic-Treasurer> aye
 134 [21:44] <sat> aye
 135 [21:45] <bdmc> Sascha, would you please re-state the motion from Etienne, and then we can put it in the "motion machine".
 136 [21:45] <bdmc> ( with the edits that we have discussed 
 137 [21:46] <sat> I move that the Committee of CAcert Inc appoints Gero Treuner as data protection officer. He is a resident of the European Union and therefore fulfils the legal requirements.
 138 [21:46] <Etienne> perfect
 139 [21:46] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> if i can help, im cet
 140 [21:46] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> certified DPO
 141 [21:47] <bdmc> Second
 142 [21:47] <sat> aye
 143 [21:47] <Etienne> Thank you. In tha last year was 1 mail, treated by the secretary. Help is always god, but officially, the DPO has to be independent from the board.
 144 [21:47] <bdmc> ( just to be formal -- now that we have the final motion )
 145 [21:47] <Etienne> aye
 146 [21:47] <bdmc> aye
 147 [21:47] <Frederic-Treasurer> aye
 148 [21:48] <bdmc> Thank you Christophe, that will be good to know.
 149 [21:48] <bdmc> Carried
 150 [21:48] <Etienne> I am sorry, we have moved the meeting to today that Dirk can attend and now it seems that he is not there yet. So we'd better move on to finances.
 151 [21:48] <bdmc> I was just about to ask that.
 152 [21:49] <bdmc> Item 2.3.1 -- PAYPAL!!! B-(
 153 [21:50] <Etienne> Well, you may read at the Agenda the resumee I wrote. At the moment, the board can just take notice.
 154 [21:50] <Frederic-Treasurer> right, all is said in the agenda
 155 [21:50] <bdmc> Thank you both.
 156 [21:50] <bdmc> Item 2.3.2 -- Christophe.
 157 [21:51] <bdmc> Now, does this mean that you intend to resign immediately, Frederic, or wait?
 158 [21:51] <Etienne> What is the plan?
 159 [21:52] <Etienne> Who resigns, who will be elected, who will form the Finance Team?
 160 [21:52] <Frederic-Treasurer> As soon as Christophe is appointed, I resign from Treasurer, and stay to help in any manners.
 161 [21:53] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> I will do monthly/quarter reporting and forecasting.
 162 [21:53] <Etienne> Following the statutes, committee members are eleceted by the AGM - only if the board is not complete, board can complete the committee.
 163 [21:53] <Frederic-Treasurer> We appoint Bret Watson as treasurer too, or treasurer in second, or member of Finance comitee
 164 [21:53] <bdmc> OK.  So what will be your position?  I understand that you will be handing off "Board Treasurer" to Christophe, but I presume that you will then stay on the Finance Team, correct?
 165 [21:54] <Etienne> That means, we can appoint, only after resignation.
 166 [21:54] <bdmc> Correct
 167 [21:54] <Frederic-Treasurer> Therefore, I hereby resign from the Treasurer position
 168 [21:55] <bdmc> Yes, so the procedure is that Frederic resigns.  The Board then does a search for an appropriate candidate, Christophe, appoints him, and the Board is no longer involved.
 169 [21:56] <bdmc> I hereby nominate Christophe Meester to fill the vacant Board postion of Treasurer.
 170 [21:56] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> Meesters
 171 [21:56] <bdmc> Apologies
 172 [21:56] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> np
 173 [21:56] <Etienne> second and aye
 174 [21:56] <sat> first a motion to accept the resign?
 175 [21:56] <bdmc> ( postion should be position )
 176 [21:57] <bdmc> sat: Absolutely correct
 177 [21:57] <bdmc> We are trying to run too fast!
 178 [21:57] <bdmc> OK, moving back a bit.
 179 [21:57] <sat> Could you please formulate the motion?
 180 [21:57] --> FD (f.dumas@185.104.171.55.mixvoip.solutions) hat #board-meeting betreten
 181 [21:57] <bdmc> I move that we accept the resignation of Frederic from the role of Treasurer.
 182 [21:57] <bdmc> Welcome Frederic the Second.
 183 [21:58] <Etienne> second and aye
 184 [21:58] <Frederic-Treasurer> aye
 185 [21:58] <FD> yes
 186 [21:58] <bdmc> I don't think that you can vote, Frederic the First.
 187 [21:58] <FD> I  abstain
 188 [21:58] <bdmc> aye
 189 [21:58] <Etienne> (sat: can you correct Frederic into Frédéric G into to motion system)
 190 [21:58] <sat> I move that the Committee of CAcert Inc. accepts the resignation of Frédéric G from the role of Treasurer.
 191 [21:59] <bdmc> FD: No, you are fine.  You are Frederic the Second.
 192 [21:59] <FD> ok
 193 [21:59] <bdmc> sat: Thank you. 
 194 [21:59] <Frederic-Treasurer> That was my hypothesis, since I am still member of the board until my resignation is accepted.
 195 [21:59] <bdmc> Good point.  Again, I was getting ahead of myself.
 196 [22:00] <bdmc> In any case, I think that everybody has voted, and it Carries.
 197 [22:00] <sat> aye
 198 [22:00] <bdmc> OK.  Back to the second motion.
 199 [22:00] <Etienne> I hereby nominate Christophe Meesters to fill the vacant Board position of Treasurer.
 200 [22:00] <Frederic-Treasurer> Then, leaving the position of Treasurer, I left also my chair in the board and that was my ultimate vote.
 201 [22:00] <bdmc> second
 202 [22:00] <Etienne> aye
 203 [22:00] <FD> yes
 204 [22:00] <bdmc> aye
 205 [22:01] <-> Frederic-Treasurer heißt jetzt Frederic-G
 206 [22:01] <bdmc> We are getting tangled.  I think that we are missing Sascha's vote, but it still carries.
 207 [22:01] <sat> I don't see a "I move that"
 208 [22:01] <bdmc> OK.  Let's pause a moment, and work things out.
 209 [22:02] <sat> so this is not a motion?
 210 [22:02] <bdmc> It is a nomination, not a motion.  
 211 [22:03] <sat> I support Christophe's appointment
 212 [22:03] <bdmc> Hmmm.  I don't think that I want to change it to a motion.  How do others feel?
 213 [22:03] <Etienne> Usually, we have motions to vote. But today, we have a lot of elections or nominations.
 214 [22:03] <Etienne> Feel free, bdmc
 215 [22:04] <bdmc> Yes.  We are tending to speed through this.  Does anybody want to discuss things so far, or shall we charge on ahead?
 216 [22:04] <FD> We may go ahead
 217 [22:04] <Etienne> (I wrote just a welcome to the Financal Team members - should this also be a motion?)
 218 [22:04] <sat> Let's at least formulate a valid motion if wie want that
 219 [22:05] <GuKKDevel_log> voting on treasurer could be controled by NSW gov
 220 [22:05] <Etienne> I hereby move to nominate Christophe Meesters to fill the vacant Board position of Treasurer.
 221 [22:05] <bdmc> Good point.
 222 [22:06] <bdmc> OK.  We will do this as two parts.  A nomination, which we have already done, and a Vote on the Nomination.
 223 [22:06] <bdmc> Just as we do with the AGM.
 224 [22:06] <bdmc> Etienne has made a nomination.  That does not require a vote.
 225 [22:07] <bdmc> Now, we vote on whether to accept that nomination, and install Christophe in his new position.
 226 [22:08] <sat> FD: Did you vote aye or abstain on FG's resignation?
 227 [22:08] <bdmc> All in favour of accepting Christophe, as nominated by Etienne, as a new Board ( Committee ) Member of CAcert, Inc?
 228 [22:08] <Etienne> (who second)
 229 [22:08] <Frederic-G> sat - FD abstain
 230 [22:08] <sat> bdmc: yes
 231 [22:08] <bdmc> Nomination as at "XX:00", above.
 232 [22:08] <bdmc> ( as = was )
 233 [22:09] <bdmc> FD voted twice on accepting the resignation.
 234 [22:09] <FD> I voted yes on Frédéric's resignation.
 235 [22:09] <sat> ok
 236 [22:10] <bdmc> Thank you, sat, for keeping us in line.
 237 [22:10] <Frederic-G> FD you're right, I misread
 238 [22:10] <sat> FD: There have been other motions before you joined us. Please look into the motion system if you want to vote on them.
 239 [22:11] <FD> Of course. Thank you Sasha.
 240 [22:11] <bdmc> OK.  Time for the vote on our new, potential member.
 241 [22:11] <Etienne> This way? I move to appoint  Bret Watson and Frédéric Grither as  members of the Financial Team.
 242 [22:11] <bdmc> We have nominated Christophe, as I said at XX:08.  Please vote now.
 243 [22:12] <bdmc> aye
 244 [22:12] <Etienne> aye
 245 [22:12] <FD> I vote to accept Christophe Meesters as a member of CAcert Inc. and a member of its committee and the treasurer of CAcert
 246 [22:12] <Etienne> second and aye
 247 [22:13] <Etienne> (thank you FD for beeing complete)
 248 [22:13] <sat> aye
 249 [22:13] <GuKKDevel_log> vote=move
 250 [22:13] <sat> GuKKDevel_log: yes
 251 [22:13] <bdmc> Good.  Lets pause a moment, and then get back to Etienne's motion.
 252 [22:14] <-> GuKKDevel_log heißt jetzt GuKKDevel
 253 [22:14] <bdmc> GuKKDevel: Actually, FD was just voting at that point.  Not making a new motion.
 254 [22:14] <FD> Correct
 255 [22:15] <bdmc> sat: OK.  Are we up-to-date with everything so far?
 256 [22:16] <Etienne> This was a writing error, but the content of the motion was clear.
 257 [22:16] <sat> So? "I move that the nomination of Christophe Meesters as the Treasurer of CAcert Inc. be accepted?"
 258 [22:16] <bdmc> Etienne: yes, I will get to your motion next.
 259 [22:16] <bdmc> sat: that should be good.
 260 [22:17] <bdmc> Etienne: would you please add Christophe to that?
 261 [22:17] <Etienne> In fact, FD is right, that he has to be member of Inc and member of the board to become treasurer.
 262 [22:17] <Etienne> So I would prefer FD's wording with move instead of vote. (for NSW)
 263 [22:17] <bdmc> I was hoping, didn't ask, that he is already a member of CAcert, Inc.
 264 [22:19] <sat> Maybe we should split it. First accept him as member, then nominate hin as Treasurer.
 265 [22:19] <bdmc> Etienne: OK, I can accept that change to the original wording.  Do we want to re-do the vote, as well?
 266 [22:19] <bdmc> sat: That would probably clean things up quite a bit.
 267 [22:19] <bdmc> OK, going back to the beginning.  B-)
 268 [22:20] <sat> I move that Christophe M be accepted as a new member of CAcert Inc.
 269 [22:20] <bdmc> I move that Christophe Meesters be accepted as a member of CAcert, Inc.
 270 [22:20] <FD> I second
 271 [22:20] <Etienne> second and aye
 272 [22:20] <bdmc> sat: I like yours a bit better.
 273 [22:20] <FD> You second too?
 274 [22:20] <bdmc> Use it.
 275 [22:20] <bdmc> aye
 276 [22:20] <sat> aye
 277 [22:20] <FD> I would prefer Etienne's wording
 278 [22:21] <FD> yes
 279 [22:21] <bdmc> FD: Now I'm confused.  Which wording?
 280 [22:21] <FD> Sasha's wording, sorry.
 281 [22:21] <FD> "I move that Christophe Meesters be accepted as a new member of CAcert Inc."
 282 [22:21] <bdmc> Yes, that is what I said, too.
 283 [22:22] <FD> Oh, sure
 284 [22:22] <FD> Sorry, let's go ahead
 285 [22:22] <bdmc> But with the initial, not the last name.  What do you think?
 286 [22:22] <sat> initial
 287 [22:22] <FD> No, with the full name, I made a mistake, just forget me.
 288 [22:22] <GuKKDevel> better complet (NSW gov)
 289 [22:22] <FD> yes
 290 [22:22] <sat> ok
 291 [22:22] <bdmc> OK, we are split.   Last name.
 292 [22:23] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> Meesters
 293 [22:23] <sat> I move that Christophe Meesters be accepted as a new member of CAcert Inc.
 294 [22:23] <Etienne> I move to accept Christophe Meesters as a member of the committee of CAcert Inc. and its Treasurer.
 295 [22:23] <FD> I second
 296 [22:23] <bdmc> Next.  We need to use the original Nomination, from Etienne, to vote on adding him to the Board ( Committee ).  
 297 [22:24] <Etienne> sorry, remove my post
 298 [22:24] <bdmc> No.  We already have done the "add to CAcert as a member."
 299 [22:24] <Etienne> FD seconded, so we can just say "aye" ;-)
 300 [22:25] <sat> aye
 301 [22:25] <bdmc> OK.  Etienne, would you please re-post your Nomination as Treasurer?
 302 [22:25] <FD> yes
 303 [22:25] <bdmc> Sorry.   I misread that.
 304 [22:25] <bdmc> aye
 305 [22:25] <Etienne> Congratulations, Christophe!
 306 [22:26] <bdmc> OK.  Now that that is over, lets sweep up the mess and see where we are.
 307 [22:26] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> thank you and others for your confidence
 308 [22:26] <bdmc> Time for the motion from Etienne at XX:11, adding Christophe to that.
 309 [22:27] <Etienne> I move to appoint  Bret Watson and Frédéric Grither as  members of the Financial Team.
 310 [22:27] <FD> I second
 311 [22:27] <Etienne> aye
 312 [22:27] <FD> yes
 313 [22:27] <bdmc> No.  I need to add Christophe to your motion.
 314 [22:28] <bdmc> We have not said that the Financial Team exists, and Christophe must be a member of that team, since he leads it.
 315 [22:28] <Etienne> Why? FT is the treasureres team, so he is part of it by definition, isn't he?
 316 [22:28] <FD> @Brian: I move to accept Christophe Meesters as the Treasurer of CAcert.
 317 [22:29] <FD> Someone to second the motion?
 318 [22:29] <Etienne> We had many years a FT, last year it was just sleeping. We reactivate it.
 319 [22:29] <Etienne> FD you voted that before
 320 [22:29] <bdmc> But that says nothing about the "Financial Team." We haven't had such a thing before.  ( Not with multiple members )
 321 [22:29] <FD> Oh, I see
 322 [22:30] <Etienne> Of course we had. With the public officer as member and others. In the past, not last year.
 323 [22:30] <GuKKDevel> why vote on the FT? this would exclude gero and dirk
 324 [22:30] <bdmc> I'm sorry.  I do not remember that name.
 325 [22:31] <bdmc> OK.  I'm just getting in the way.  We seem to have a motion on the floor, and voting is occurring.
 326 [22:31] <bdmc> aye
 327 [22:32] <Etienne> If we ad FG and BW, we will not exlude some others allready involved in a way or an other. It's just to ad two more.
 328 [22:32] <GuKKDevel> ok
 329 [22:33] <bdmc> sat: are we done?  I think that it carried.
 330 [22:33] <sat> no
 331 [22:33] <Etienne> I see 3 ayes. BE_ChristopheMeesters would you like to vote about your helpers?
 332 [22:33] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> aye
 333 [22:33] <sat> "I move to appoint  Bret Watson and Frédéric Grither as  members of the Financial Team." <- from Etiene?
 334 [22:33] <bdmc> yes
 335 [22:33] <Etienne> yes
 336 [22:33] <sat> ok
 337 [22:34] <sat> aye
 338 [22:34] <sat> that are 5 ayes, right?
 339 [22:34] <FD> yes
 340 [22:34] <bdmc> OK.  Moving on in the Agenda.  Item 2.4.1  FD, do you have anything to say?
 341 [22:35] <Etienne> Face-to-face with key members and new people (Frédéric D)
 342 [22:35] <bdmc> I have a feeling that you should nag people, especially me, more frequently about your list of Doodles.
 343 [22:35] <FD> Basically, Francois considered that the lack of future of CAcert did not deserve to get involve on it.
 344 [22:36] <FD> Three other new coming volunteers contacted by mail never replied.
 345 [22:36] <bdmc> I'm sorry.  I don't know who Francois is.
 346 [22:37] <FD> Thats' all on the front of involving new comers with video meeting.
 347 [22:37] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> yes. i have a zoomroom if needed
 348 [22:37] <bdmc> OK.  What about "key members?"
 349 [22:37] <FD> @Brian: Let's me find back the related email
 350 [22:37] <Etienne> This is regrettable, but I think it's a good approach. Thank you, FD.
 351 [22:39] <FD> @Brian: https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-board-private/2020-01/msg00077.html
 352 [22:39] <FD> On the second front, enhancing our communication with existing active or having been active members:
 353 [22:39] <Etienne> Keymembers are people who are active, it's about staying in touch with them and picking up their ideas, if I understood correctly. In short New and old.
 354 [22:40] <FD> Lambert and Jan have given back positive answers for a video call with us.
 355 [22:40] <FD> To be scheduled in the close future. 
 356 [22:41] <bdmc> Yes, I found one of those Doodles.
 357 [22:41] <FD> Dirk and Gero never replied to my proposal. I send many messages to Dirk and only one to Gero. I will contact Gero again.
 358 [22:41] <bdmc> FD: I, for one, would appreciate reminders from you if I am not responding as quickly as you need.
 359 [22:42] <FD> That's fine, of course I will do it.
 360 [22:42] <bdmc> I saw Dirk, briefly, at this morning's meeting. ( early afternoon )
 361 [22:42] <sat> BE_ChristopheMeesters vote on the FT cannot be recorded in the motion system yet. I will take it in the minutes. After he has got access, he can vote himself in the motion system.
 362 [22:43] <bdmc> sat: Thank you
 363 [22:43] <FD> Well, in a nutshell, it is a work in progress. I do think it makes sense to let us work better thanks to face to face talks, as we started to do with both of you, Brian and Etienne.
 364 [22:44] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> ok
 365 [22:44] <bdmc> Next, Item 2.4.2.  I saw the e-mail message.  I guess that we, reluctantly, must vote on his withdrawl.
 366 [22:44] <Etienne> No vote, I think.
 367 [22:44] <Etienne> GuKKDevel, we were all very surprised and regret really your decision. Especially as we had great hope in you, now that your ABC's was finally done. It's to sad.
 368 [22:45] <FD> May we know what are the underlying reasons of your resignation?
 369 [22:46] <Etienne> Maybe GuKKDevel does not want to say it in a public meeting. I have to get in touch with him for some details.
 370 [22:47] <GuKKDevel> Im going to get a mobil home (Reisemobil) and will do more traveling and therrefor will have no connections 
 371 [22:48] <bdmc> That should be interesting -- perhaps fun.
 372 [22:48] <GuKKDevel> and no access to my home ressources
 373 [22:49] <bdmc> How will you cut yourself off from technology?   B-)
 374 [22:50] <GuKKDevel> I'll become 61 next time and want to have msome fun as bdmc guessed right
 375 [22:50] <sat> For the minutes: From what position is GuKKDevel resigning? I cannot find it in my mails or in the agenda.
 376 [22:50] <bdmc> All connections to CAcert.
 377 [22:50] <GuKKDevel> I did software development
 378 [22:50] <FD> From the developpers' team.
 379 [22:50] <GuKKDevel> are member of CAcert INC
 380 [22:51] <sat> ok
 381 [22:51] <bdmc> If it does not mean any work for you, may we persuade you to remain a member of CAcert, Inc?
 382 [22:51] <Etienne> And the idea was that he would start at support as soon as the ABC is printed by Lambert
 383 [22:52] <Etienne> (at least I was told so)
 384 [22:52] <FD> I remember about it.
 385 [22:53] <bdmc> GuKKDevel: ?
 386 [22:53] <GuKKDevel> I know
 387 [22:54] <bdmc> OK.  Unless anybody has any objections, I think that I will move on to Question Time.
 388 [22:54] <FD> Fine.
 389 [22:54] <sat> 2.4.3 is pushed to next meeting?
 390 [22:54] <Etienne> Well, have good journeys, and who knows, maybe you find one or two developpers you could bring us... ;-)
 391 [22:54] <Etienne> objection
 392 [22:54] <Etienne> Progress of the most pressing bugs and issues (PHP, keygen, ...) ??
 393 [22:55] <Etienne> Does someone knows something?
 394 [22:55] <sat> I noticed nothing new on it in the mailing lists
 395 [22:55] <GuKKDevel> I think arbitration does not work
 396 [22:55] <GuKKDevel> august 2016 the ABC started
 397 [22:56] <GuKKDevel> last entrance was october 2019
 398 [22:56] <GuKKDevel> and ABC still isn't done
 399 [22:56] <Etienne> GuKKDevel, that is one reason, why FD has a face to face meeting with your ABC arbitrator.
 400 [22:57] <FD> Yes
 401 [22:57] <Etienne> And that is Why we had so much hope, that you will enter support, that Dirk could give technical help Andreas to re enter Arbitration.
 402 [22:58] <GuKKDevel> But as I have to admit, I didnnc more than four months
 403 [22:59] <Etienne> It's not going as planned. We try to do it an other way.
 404 [22:59] <FD> You did not? Could you repeat? I missed your words.
 405 [23:00] <-- BE_ChristopheMeesters (51530b65@localhost) hat das Netzwerk verlassen (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand-crafted IRC client)
 406 [23:01] --> BE_ChristopheMeesters (51530b65@localhost) hat #board-meeting betreten
 407 [23:02] <FD> @Karl-Heinz: You did not? Could you repeat? I did not understand what you said.
 408 [23:02] <-- GuKKDevel (GuKKDevel@2001:4dd7:6c7e:0:5a1:915b:5ff5:2920) hat das Netzwerk verlassen (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
 409 [23:03] <Etienne> As I wrote above, we are sad. But to be honest: If everyone could spare half an hour (more) a day for CAcert - everyone who's here and those who aren't here. Then everything would go much better. But we work with what is possible.
 410 [23:03] <Etienne> European Bank Account should be ready next week. More information will follow soon.
 411 [23:04] --> GuKKDevel_log (GuKKDevel@2001-4dd7-6c7e-0-618a-c302-472f-8ecb.ipv6dyn.netcologne.de) hat #board-meeting betreten
 412 [23:05] <GuKKDevel_log> got problems with my machine
 413 [23:05] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> @etienne. Good.
 414 [23:05] <Etienne> Does someone knows Payoneer.com?
 415 [23:05] <GuKKDevel_log> so OK I will give it another try and stay
 416 [23:06] <-> GuKKDevel_log heißt jetzt GuKKDevel
 417 [23:06] <FD> @Karl-Heinz: that's a strong decision. Thank you.
 418 [23:06] <bdmc> Etienne: I think that I have heard of it.
 419 [23:10] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> I don't know them. I was looking at their website where they are located. We have anti-laundry rules in Europe.
 420 [23:10] <FD> @Etienne: I did not hear about Payonneer
 421 [23:12] <Etienne> A canadian friend recommend it to me, but I think with bank accounts in Australia and Europe, we are on a good way. Just to look, how to collect money in the United States.
 422 [23:14] <bdmc> Here is something: https://www.payoneer.com/legal/payoneers-multi-jurisdictional-licenses/
 423 [23:16] <FD> Guys, we have very tight schedules with our business trip. We are starting at 5:00 AM in a few hours. Would you mind to lead the meeting to its end, if no more important matters on the agenda?
 424 [23:16] <Etienne> Have we said: this month the 2nd thursday, but usually the 1st - or from now on always the 2nd?
 425 [23:17] <sat> always 2nd
 426 [23:17] <bdmc> I have no problem with the 2nd
 427 [23:17] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> me neither
 428 [23:17] <Etienne> 12-03-2020, 20:00 UTC
 429 [23:17] <sat> "For the coming months we want to modify the schedule to "every second Thursday of each month", and agreed on 2020-02-13-20:00 UTC for the next meeting. "
 430 [23:17] <bdmc> We also have the option to have an "extra" meeting, as well as the regular monthly meeting.
 431 [23:18] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> +1
 432 [23:18] <bdmc> Good, that is settled.
 433 [23:18] <bdmc> Should I ask for Questions, or just close the meeting, now?
 434 [23:18] <Etienne> And I would like to invite each of us to work as much as possible on one of our pressing items the following weeks.
 435 [23:19] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> Ok.
 436 [23:20] <bdmc> I hope to have a new home for next month's meeting, otherwise I will be homeless.  B-(   See you all then.
 437 [23:20] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> cya
 438 [23:20] <sat> bye and good luck
 439 [23:20] <bdmc> I hereby declare this meeting complete.
 440 [23:20] <bdmc> Good night, all.
 441 [23:20] <BE_ChristopheMeesters> thanks for having me. Good night
 442 [23:20] <Etienne> Good night and Thank you to all of you!
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