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Etienne_
Hello to our board meeting! 
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Etienne_
Hello Peter 
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pnunn
Morning all. 
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sat
Good morning and good evening everyone. 
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egal
salue 
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pnunn
How are we all.. Just trying to get a fire to light. Last time we spoke it was 37 here, now its 10... sigh. 
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Etienne_
Oh, the sun that disapeard 4 hours ago didn't arrive to Australia until now? 
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https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2019-11-07 
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As we have a quorum and it's time, we could start with the Preliminaries  until the president will speak to us. 
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Are there any questions or comments to the (finally!) minutes of 5. Sept. 2019? https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2019-09-05#Minutes 
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pnunn_
Sorry, still having issues with this wifi... the minutes look good Etienne. 
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Etienne_
Are there any questions or comments to the minutes of 31. Oct. 2019? https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2019-10-31#Minutes 
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Thank you pnunn_ 
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pnunn_
They too look good. 
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@Etienne, just a quick question. I'm not able to log into the voting system incase your wondering why there havn't been any responces from me on there. 
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Actually.. comment, not question. 
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Etienne_
pnunn_: When you vote here during the meeting, the secretary will put your vote as a proxy vote into the voting system. 
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pnunn_
cool. 
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Etienne_
OK, I think we vote now: I motion to accept the minutes of 5. Septe 2019. 
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pnunn_
seconded 
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and aye 
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Etienne_
aye 
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Etienne_
I motion to accept the minues of 31 October 2019. 
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pnunn_
seconded and aye. 
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Etienne_
aye 
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Thank you! 
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Chair asks whether cacert-board-private or cacert-board maillist includes any items that need to be disclosed to Members. 
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pnunn_
Nothing I'm aware of. 
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Etienne_
Me neither. 
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Etienne_
OK, let's move to Business. 
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AGM 2019: Thank you for the team reports from critical team (Wytze) and infra (JanDD)! 
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Until now, there are no nominations for the board 2019/20. 
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pnunn_
Do we want to do some now Etienne_? 
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Etienne_
But at least the public officer will stay with CAcert Inc. 
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pnunn_
Oh.. that's a good outcome. well done. 
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Etienne_
We can, if you want. 
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pnunn_
Can I nominate yourself and Brian to retain your current positions. 
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Also the treasurer. 
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Etienne_
Probabely not for the positions, but for the committee, yes. As the secretary is also in tis meeting, he will register this nominations. 
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pnunn_
Excelent. 
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I'm happy to put my hand up for the committee again as well. 
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Etienne_
and I am happy to nomnate Peter N 
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pnunn_
Thank you. 
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Etienne_
Well, that is a good start. We will se for the rest and also look how to integrate the people that showed some interest in september. 
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pnunn_
Good stuff. 
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Etienne_
2.2. Operations 1. Critical team 
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egal, can you give as a short overview, please? 
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Etienne_
egal should be here, I met him just while arriving to the meeting in the warderobe. 
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He was present on the handover on 1st of November, if I remember well. 
21:32:25
pnunn_
We seem to have a few missing in action. 
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Etienne_
16 minutes ago, egal told me, that he was very pleased about the excellent documentation, written by Wytze. 
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Etienne_
Well, pnunn_ what do you think about the thankk you motion? As you are a native speaker, what should be improoved? 
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Etienne_
Shoould I post the draft here? 
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egal
sorry ... was afk for some minutes ... 
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last friday norbert and i visited BIT and got a knowledge-transfer from wytze ... 
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mendel and mark overmeer (secure-u) were onsite for some time while norbert, wytze and i was there full time (around 6 hours) 
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egal
i got both password-lists from wytze and mendel (as norbert does not yet have an ABC) 
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on the way back we talked about the hardware/... and i'll contact norbert over the weekend again ... 
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egal
currently i'm checking all needed access rights (before i revoke access rights for wytze, mendel etc.) 
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pnunn
Sorry guys. On a fixed network now.. grrr.. 
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Etienne_
Welcome back pnunn, thank you very much egal for this inside report. 
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pnunn
To the question you asked before I vanished again... Slight change to the wording would be... 
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Etienne_
pnunn, please do it 
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pnunn
Its is with great regret that the committee....    have left the critical ...  (Martin for ther ir valuable... 
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Its is with great regret that the committee....    have left the critical ...  (Martin for their valuable... 
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sorry. 
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Does that make sense? 
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Etienne_
This way? Motion: It is with great regret that the committee has to announce that Mendel (since June 2008), Wytze (since October 2008) and Martin (since November 2012) have left the critical system administrator team as of November 1, 2019 after eleven, resp. seven years loyal service. The committee wants to say a big THANK YOU to Mendel, Wytze and Martin for their valuable contributions to the work of the critical system administrator team during the past years! 
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pnunn
Yep. 
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Seconded and aye. 
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Etienne_
aye 
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Etienne_
2. Arbitration 
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I hope, support may help this month Andreas B to start his job. 
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pnunn
OK. 
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Etienne_
I had just a look, what we could do on this meeting, if Ted and some others are not here. 
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2.3.4. Invoice 2018-01: For legal reasons, after the motion has passed, the treasurer has to transfer this amount to secure-U. The money, secure-U became on behalf of CAcert can be used to lower the following ivoices, but not to pay invoices allready sent. (information transfered by secure-U from their Finanzamt) 
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I Motion: The treasurer shall pay the invoice 2018-01, 1107.65 EUR to secureU. 
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pnunn
OK. Strange, but if that is the way it is.. so be it I guess. 
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Seconded. 
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Etienne_
aye 
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pnunn
and aye. 
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Etienne_
pnunn, I am here just 50 km south of Germany, and sometimes I thinkk the same (they probabely about us). 
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egal
in germany an invoice has to be paid ... otherwise the tax office/finanzamt will ask, where the money is ... 
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pnunn
Oh I see.. so once its raised.. it has to be dealt with via a payment. Fair enough. 
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egal
we (at secure-u site) even have to explain, why invoiced are paid in another financial year than we sent it ... 
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Etienne_
In Switzerland, an invoice can also be cleared or written off. But secureU is in Germany. 
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pnunn
Oh my goodness.. If I had to do that here I'd be buried in paperwork :) 
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I think the same here Etienne, as long as its accounted for its OK. 
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egal
and ... secure-u is not a company, but a "verein" (=association) ... the rules are more strict there ... 
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pnunn
interesting egal, here its probably the other way around. 
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egal
btw: a lot of people complain about the hugh amount of paperwork to be done here in germany ... ;-) 
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pnunn
I'm president of a brass band, we get away with murder compared to my company. 
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I guess it keeps people in jobs egal lol. 
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Etienne_
The paperwork is one reasons, why the relocation project points a little bit more southern than Germany. 
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egal
it's the "gemeinnuetzer verein" (somehow charity/non-profit) thing ... 
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pnunn
I see. 
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Etienne_
egal, we are very happy with everything secure-U does for us. 
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Even we do not understand sometimes all the issues you have. 
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Etienne_
egal, if you see in one of the next days someone from support, could you please ask them to consider to help Andreas B to start his job? 
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egal
@etienne: i'll tell my GF, too ... so if she sees somebody from support ... ;-) 
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Etienne_
thank you egal, that is very nive from both of you. 
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pnunn, do you see anything else we can do in the current composition at this meeting? 
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pnunn
I was just looking at that Etienne_ and I don't think so unfortunately. 
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Etienne_
egal, Is it true that the solution of the PHP problem is already on the test server for review? 
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egal
you should ping Ted about it ... 
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Etienne_
On my way home on the bus today, I was wondering whether there might not be a way to issue the certificate with an addon for Firefox and Chrome. Who should be asked? 
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egal
... in the last months i may have missed some details of bugs/patches ... 
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Etienne_
There was so much work in the last 2-3 months.... but also a lot of success! 
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Etienne_
3. Question Time 
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pnunn
Yes indeed you have been very busy Etienne_ and a great outcome. 
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No questions from here. 
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egal
currently no questions from my site ... 
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Etienne_
JanDD, bdmc and FD did also a lot. Furthermore I should mention treasurer for akk the thenk you letters after receiving donations. egals journey to the Netherlands any some others more. 
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pnunn
Yes, a fantastic effort all round. 
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Etienne_
And do not forget the vice president! 
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pnunn, what about the next meeting: in 2 weeks on 21.11.2019 and then 10 days later the AGM? Or would you prefer a meeting earlier? 
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pnunn
hah.. who did the least of everybody I'm afraid. Just wasn't around sorry. 
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I don't mind Etienne_ I think 2 weeks is probably OK, but if you feel more needs to be done earlier, I don't mind either. 
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Etienne_
OK, Thu 21.11.2019 meeting and Sat 30.11.2019 AGM. 
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pnunn
Done. 
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egal
don't forget to send out the reminders ... ;-) 
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i don't have a clue if i payed for this/last financial year ... 
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(and ... please use english ... so it's understandable ... ;-) ) 
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Etienne_
Don't worry, egal. The treasurer started allready - in english ;-) 
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pnunn
Well.. have a good evening gents. I guess I'm out of excuses to get to the gym now.. groan. 
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Etienne_
Other reminders will be sent in about an hour, after I brought my little boy to the loo. 
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Have a nice day pnuun, and thank you for joining today! 
22:28:08
pnunn
Your welcome.. nice to chat as always. 
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Etienne_
So, the official part is over. 
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