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bdmc
Darn.  Late.   My apologies. 
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Are we ready to start? 
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* ted is listening. 
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bdmc
Thank you, Ted. 
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Etienne
Yes, bdmc, we have a quorum and about 84 minutes ;-) 
22:06:43
FD
Hello! 
22:06:51
Etienne
Hello everybody! 
22:08:02
bdmc
Etienne: Actually I adjusted my calendar, so you won't need to depend on me.  I have a later meeting, though. 
22:08:16
Well, in that case, let me call this meeting to order. 
22:08:26
Etienne
https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2019-09-26 
22:08:43
bdmc
Thank you. 
22:08:52
Let us talk about previous meetings, first. 
22:09:07
Doea anybody have any questions about the Minutes for September 5th? 
22:09:18
Etienne
There are minutes from 19th (but not from 5th). 
22:09:28
Treasurer
Hello, unfortunately, I am still in professional meeting and I come to say a warm hello and apologize that I can't attend this one tonight 
22:10:08
bdmc
Treasurer: Thank you, Frederic.  We will manage to survive without you. 
22:10:09
Etienne
Treasurer, if you remain connected, you may read at the end, what happend 
22:10:30
Treasurer
good idea 
22:10:59
Etienne
The minutes of 19th are quiet short. Did I forget something important? 
22:11:18
The log file is added, so details can be found there as usual. 
22:11:43
FD
I am not sure to understand what we talked about, when your write: "Brian, FD and Etienne will contact possible new board or team members following Brian/FD's list (resp. Treasurer's list for treasurer). As we probabely have more than 7, we will try to get teams again (e.g. finance team). " 
22:11:48
bdmc
Etienne: As I remember from that meeting, I think that you caught the high points, eliminating the long discussions. 
22:12:18
Yes, there are some details missing.  I agree with Frederic. 
22:13:10
Etienne: Will we ever see minutes for the 5th, and would it be possible to, at least, include more details on assignments in the 19th? 
22:13:47
I don't know what I agreed to do in that meeting, and what I was just thinking of outside that meeting. 
22:13:56
Etienne
2x yes. for 19th, what should be clearer? the board member list as mentionned by FD, ++? 
22:14:33
bdmc
If someone was assigned a task, or volunteered for a task, it would be nice if there were specific notes regarding those. 
22:15:17
I'm afraid that my membory, while good, is very short! 
22:15:40
( membory = of course, memory ) 
22:15:58
Etienne
OK, let's move, I will re read all my notes after the week end. 
22:16:04
bdmc
OK, moving on. 
22:16:06
Treasurer
Etienne: the time chair closed the meeting, may be? I see periods. Do I remember Brian closing at 22h00 UTC? 
22:16:18
bdmc
Any news in the Board or Board Private Mailing Lists? 
22:16:36
Treasurer: I think that it was a few minutes later. 
22:17:18
Not hearing anything, moving on again. 
22:17:45
Etienne
Treasurer, sorry, but last meeting, I hadn't time stamps. 
22:18:30
FD
In the committee mailing list, I sent copies of to mails written in response to our applicants. 
22:18:42
to -> two 
22:18:42
bdmc
A Note to everybody.  You may have seen some notes in the mailing list suggesting that our Agendas are longer than the time alotted.  For that reason, I am going to skip around in the Agenda, trying to get the most urgent, and then most important, items first. 
22:19:00tienne: I should be able to get you some numbers. 
22:19:10
We'll talk via e-mail. 
22:19:43
OK, so my first Business item is Agenda Item 2.2.1 -- Critical Team. 
22:20:43
Frederic ( FD ) and I were trying to create a list of people to give to Wytze as his future team, both local and remote. 
22:21:45
bdmc
I came up with a list of a dozen or so, most of them remote, to add to two or three potential members that we had found before the 360K! 
22:22:47
bdmc
We have a deadline, from Wytze, of Monday, for this.  Does this group want to discuss this, or shall I pass the list to Wytze, or??? 
22:23:38
( Oh, yes.   My list was primarily composed of people who volunteered as a consequence of the 360K. ) 
22:23:54
FD
I suggest to pass to Wytze: Tony, Erick, Pal, Brent, Mark. 
22:24:15
bdmc
FD: Only the Local ones?  Not the Remote? 
22:24:44
I see Ted, Dirk and Gero here.  Please feel free to contribute. 
22:25:02
FD
Tony (Nigeria) et Pal (Hungary) are remotely located. 
22:25:04
See: https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-board-private/2019-09/msg00184.html 
22:25:26
bdmc
Sorry.  Working from my ( weak ) memory. 
22:25:46
Alright. 
22:25:49
Etienne
I think, we should not start with too much, 5 looks good. Wytze & friends can hand over and may be give some training. The we can ad some more. And start the ABC as well. 
22:26:26
bdmc
FD: Sorry.  I have been out all afternoon, so missed your message.   Thank you. 
22:27:19
Should we look at a motion, or just go ahead.  ( Do other Board Members want a motion about this? ) 
22:27:35
Etienne
We need a motion. 
22:28:29
bdmc
In that case, I move that Tony, Erick, Pal, Brent and Mark's names be presented to Wytze as the Board's recommendations for the future Critical Team. 
22:28:40
FD
I second 
22:28:47
Etienne
Policy asks a decisions and a motionn is IMHO a formal decision. 
22:28:54
aye 
22:29:00
bdmc
aye 
22:29:04
FD
yes 
22:29:19
Etienne
objection 
22:29:29
bdmc
Yes? 
22:29:55
Treasurer
aye 
22:29:59
Etienne
According to the policy, we have to decide. The team would have to suggest us. We do this too as they did not. 
22:30:31
bdmc
Etienne: I'm sorry.  I don't understand. 
22:30:36
Etienne
So, you should change the text "Recommendations" to something else. 
22:31:20
FD
How may we **decide**, without having (a) interviewed the applicants and (2) having ourself the knowledge to assess the applicants deep enough, from the technical point of view? 
22:32:01
bdmc
Etienne: Are you saying that the Board is expected to make the final decision on suitability and qualifications of the candidates? 
22:32:05
Etienne
It is a "nomination". 
22:32:49
FD
Can't we "nominate" later in the recruiting process, when Wytze will have said his word? 
22:33:01
Treasurer
"decide to present"? 
22:34:14
Treasurer
FD: makes sense 
22:34:47
Etienne
9.1.3. Process of new Team Members 
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New team members need:  
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Recommendation by team leader  
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Arbitrated Background Check ("ABC")  
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Authorisation by Board  
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The team supports the process of adding new team members. 
22:35:39
Apparently Crit Team is leaving the recommendation to us. 
22:36:14
bdmc
Which is what I said in my motion that is on the table. 
22:36:47
Etienne
(citation from Security Policy for CAcert Systems COD8) 
22:37:14
In that case, I withdraw the objection. 
22:37:28
bdmc
We are recommending these people for consideration by the current Team Lead.  Those that he approves will then need to be Authorised by the Board ( and ABC process ). 
22:37:44
FD
Fine. 
22:37:54
bdmc
Do we have any Board Members who have not yet voted? 
22:38:06
those present 
22:38:35
Etienne
The others can vote later at the vote bot. 
22:38:43
bdmc
In that case, by my eye, the motion passes. 
22:39:19
Next, Item 2.3.1 -- Corporate Donors. 
22:39:56
Etienne
We have had a potential donor, who is offering to make a monthly donation, from his company, and asks that he be credited on our website home page. 
22:39:56
 
22:39:56
Related links: https://www.cacert.org (see on the bottom); from 2011; https://wiki.cacert.org/comma/Arsenal/SponsorshipOffering 
22:39:56
bdmc
I think that we have several people who have offered donations.  This is the one that we have in the Agenda. 
22:40:35
Etienne
https://wiki.cacert.org/CAcertInc/LogosForSale (2011) 
22:40:36
bdmc
I also saw a page in the Wiki, under About Us, I think, regarding corporate sponsorships. 
22:43:36
bdmc
Here it is: https://wiki.cacert.org/FAQ/AboutUs/History 
22:44:05
Down at the bottom.  These are the people that we currently see at the bottom of the Home Page. 
22:44:08
Etienne
I wrote it some years ago... 
22:44:42
bdmc, some people asked to removed them some years ago. That was the reason to create the history page. 
22:45:05
bdmc
OK.  Do we have any discussion regarding accepting this offer of sponsorship in exchange for "credit." 
22:45:56
ted
Note: I'm just working on https://bugs.cacert.org/view.php?id=1423: "Remove logo of Open Architecture Network" 
22:46:17
FD
The deal should be loose enough in order for the donation to remain a donation, and not a purchase of commercial space. 
22:46:50
Thank you for that, Bernhard! 
22:47:55
FD
The idea of a fair deal between a corporate donor and CAcert might be like that: 
22:48:15
bdmc
Agreed.  It should be a "sponsorship," not a sale. 
22:48:25
FD
1. The corporate donor makes supports CAcert by a donation; 
22:48:29
Etienne
But we could replace the 4 logos by current ones (at least when the sponsored machines are retiered) 
22:49:32
FD
2. The corporate donor should not be tied to an aggreement making it an obligation of giving money to CAcert; 
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3. The corporate donor should keep the ability to give more frequently, or less frequently, without any action in return from CAcert; 
22:50:40
bdmc
( During the time, and as long as the sponsor contributes, CAcert will display their logo and a link to their company, on our home page. ) 
22:51:27
FD
4. As a "thank you" and nothing else, CAcert would then decide to make public on its front page, the fact that the corporate donor helps CAcert. 
22:52:14
bdmc
We do not want any language regarding frequency of contributions.  Perhaps amount but no more.  So, for instance, they are offering to contribute $3600 per year, as I remember. 
22:52:15
Etienne
Of course it's not. But companies that are generous to us (once or regularly) may be mentioned by name or logo to the public if they wish. e.g. new server of Xy 
22:53:34
FD
Here is the proposal which we are talking about: https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-inc/2019-09/msg00512.html 
22:53:43
bdmc
Yes, but there is a lower limit.  If they donate more than, I don't know, $1000, then they are a "name" sponsor.  Less, we thank them. 
22:55:28
bdmc
Here is the list used by another organisation that I belong to.  This is an organisation with both servers, as we do, and regular monthly meetings. 
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Platinum- $2500 and up 
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Single Meeting Sponsorship - $100-$300 (see below) 
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Gold - between $1500 and $2499 
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Silver - between $500 and $1499 
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Bronze - between $301 and $499 
22:56:56
FD
What kind of metal gets the sponsor giving $300 or less? :-) 
22:57:14
bdmc
B-) 
22:57:48
They get to advertise for about 5 minutes at the meeting that they have sponsored. 
22:58:24
Etienne
That's an approach. Personally, if there were few of them, I would be a little more flexible. Example: Someone donates a machine for 999, but that's not 1000. Stupid? Or show the logo or at least put it on the sponsor list? 
22:58:27
bdmc
Sorry, 15 minutes. 
22:58:40
FD
Cool, we are going to introduce commercials within the committee's meetings! :-) 
22:58:54
bdmc
I completely agree.  We have limits, but we aren't obsessive. 
22:59:25
Etienne
An other point: What is possible? The 4 logos are IMHO hard coded :-( The wiki is a lot easyier. 
22:59:37
bdmc
Different type of organisation.  These are regular monthly "come out to the meeting house and learn about Linux" meetings. 
23:00:17
Etienne: Perhaps a prominent link on the home page, going to a page in the Wiki, displaying all of the current sponsors. 
23:00:30
Moving all of the existing ones there. 
23:00:35
Etienne
Can we accept the propositions and put the logos at least on the wiki, and maybe twittr/blog? & link "Sponors" 
23:01:07
bdmc
Since Ted is already addressing this issue, it would be a good time to do this. 
23:01:37
Ted: correct? 
23:01:58
ted
Aehm... probably no. Development workflow is not ideally suited for adding and removal of logos... 
23:02:11
Way too much work if you ask me. 
23:02:24
But as we don't have anything else... 
23:02:35
bdmc
No, I mean the change the the home page, removing all of the current logos, and replacing them with a "Sponsors" link, pointing at the Wiki. 
23:02:46
( the the = to the ) 
23:02:46
FD
And won't change the logos in place too much often... 
23:02:51
Having a logo on out main web site is of higher value for the sponsor. 
23:03:00
out -> our 
23:03:02
ted
Ahh, yes, this sounds better. 
23:03:10
bdmc
FD: I agree, but.... 
23:03:43
ted
Maybe the premium sponsors get theirs on the home page... 
23:04:10
The rest has to live with something else (maybe not the WiKi)... 
23:04:16
bdmc
Darn.  That other organizations do it that way.  They have the Sponsors link, but the home page has three of them, too. 
23:04:19
Etienne
bdmc, if a consulting firm will do the audit for free, we can also put the logo on the home page! 
23:04:32
bdmc
ABSOLUTELY! 
23:05:13
Etienne
OK, who deals with the corporate donors? The president? 
23:05:25
bdmc
ted: Would you prefer another page in the web site, or the Wiki? 
23:05:46
FD
Well, are we ready to answer something to Mr. Hefczyc? 
23:05:59
bdmc
I can definitely do that.  Do we want to do a motion for this one, specifically, or something to cover the general case? 
23:06:48
Etienne
Maybe next meeting, so one of us can put it together, like a guideline? 
23:07:21
bdmc
I can see us creating ( as Etienne has just said ) some kind of guideline for sponsorship, not a Policy. 
23:07:40
Etienne
board internal, but public 
23:07:55
bdmc
Shall I, then, just contact him, and accept his offer, or do we need to do something more formal? 
23:07:56
dops
ted: for analysis/condideration: Can logos be embedded from another suitable location with leaner dev process? 
23:08:13
FD
Hello Ger! 
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Ger -> Gero! 
23:09:22
ted
This is technically possible, but frowned upon, because it lowers the "security" level to the lowest level of involved pages. 
23:10:04
If you want to include malware , it can be done on the site with lowest security level 
23:10:15
So, I'd advise against. 
23:10:49
It may be possible to think of something a bit more complicated though... 
23:11:15
dops
Didn't want to initiate a technical discussion in this meeting ... maybe placing on same server or databae, but somewhat in list form which only requires checking that we have safe images. 
23:11:17
ted
Like allowing upload of a logo from the support console... 
23:14:05
FD
Beyond corporate donors and logos, there are also for CAcert possible businesses like these ones: https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-board-private/2019-09/msg00171.html 
23:14:58
Etienne
I have just learned that our data center gives us an annual discount and free services worth 5140 €. 
23:15:24
bdmc
Aren't they on the list of sponsors? 
23:15:35
FD
Yes they are. 
23:16:59
bdmc
OK.  Well, this is going to take a lot more discussion regarding both procedural and technical solutions, so I think that we should move on. 
23:17:24
Back to my question a while ago.  Shall I just go ahead and accept this offer? 
23:17:51
I will take a consensus answer, instead of a formal motion. 
23:17:58
Etienne
Yes, I think so. 
23:18:55
bdmc
Nobody else? 
23:19:04
FD
Are we talking about the offer of Mr. Hefczyc? It's fine with me too. 
23:19:26
bdmc
Yes, Agenda Item 2.3.1 
23:19:55
I guess that we are down to three. 
23:20:17
OK.  I think that we have covered the Urgent.  What is Important? 
23:21:06
FD
Not sure if it is in the agenda, but motivating "team leader" at welcoming the new comers is important. 
23:21:19
Etienne
Can we accept Dominik W as Inc member? 
23:21:28
FD
I see only Bernhard active on the front. 
23:22:12
And Brian. 
23:22:28
bdmc
Gero has been doing some, as well. 
23:22:36
Etienne
And some behind the front: Ales, 
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new names, I never heard before are contributing on some lists. 
23:23:25
FD
I am happy to hear about, but for instance, who takes care of the organisation assurers applicants? 
23:23:33
bdmc
There are several new members on the Devel list.  Many new on SysAdmin. 
23:23:56
FD
Who takes care to select and invite people to join support? 
23:23:59
bdmc
FD: Wasn't that Alex ( the other one )? 
23:24:20
FD: It SHOULD probably be Dirk, but, I don't know. 
23:24:37
FD
I saw you Etienne posting on the translation mailing list. 
23:25:30
Nobody wants to take over the first contact initiated by Ian Alastair with potential new arbitrators. 
23:25:50
bdmc
OK.  I have heard a request for Agenda Item 2.1.1, and then a need for Agenda Item 2.2.x( 3? ) -- Managing the response to 360K. 
23:26:01
Etienne
FD, can you send me the names/@ of OrgA applicants? I can do that. 
23:26:14
FD
OK, I will. 
23:26:18
bdmc
Etienne: They are in the spreadsheet that I sent you. 
23:26:20
FD
Recruitment of our next Treasurer is basically stalled. 
23:26:28
ted
One Org Assurer applicant did contact me directly. 
23:26:49
I'm taking care of him together with Alexander Bahlo 
23:27:03
Etienne
bdmc: thank you, noted on my paper for Oct. 7th. 
23:27:21
bdmc
FD: Yes, we have, perhaps, a dozen applicants, but I would like to suggest that the Board Member not be one of them, necessarily. 
23:27:56
Etienne: I think that ( as we are doing ) we need to address it sooner than that. 
23:28:04
FD
Regarding sysadmin, a few started to resign from the mailing list. Brian and me are the only one to see it, being owners of the list. 
23:28:34
Just because they received a warm welcome from Brian, then the silence. 
23:28:35
bdmc
Oh, am I?   I know that Gero was trying to work there. 
23:29:59
FD
My concern with Sysadmin, is our ability to transform most of them into support team members, and Infrastructure team members. 
23:30:02
bdmc
Should we take a moment, and list each of the departments ( roles ) and who is actively working with that group? 
23:30:05
Etienne
I will see, what I can do before, at least starting from Sept 30th 
23:30:44
bdmc
For Instance: 
23:31:04
VIP ( random people ) -- FD, Brian, Etienne ( perhaps? ) 
23:31:27
Treasurer: FG ( to begin with ) 
23:31:45
dops
bdmc: I can't work on getting in contact of people, because I'm not really involved in sysadm business. Should be managed by Jan - I'm willing to help, but need some preselection/guidance in that case. 
23:32:45
bdmc
SysAdmin ( covers Critical Team, Support, Infrastructure Admin. ) -- Should be Jan DD, Brian ( welcome message ), Gero ( mailing list ), anybody else? 
23:32:59
FD
I tried to make an inventory here: https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-board-private/2019-09/msg00138.html 
23:33:58
bdmc
dops: At the moment, I think that mostly we need to just have a "presence," letting people know that they aren't forgotten.  Also, can you subscribe the people who came later, and I told to send a message to the list, instead of trying to subscribe? 
23:34:18
FD
Brian, you are right, However, Jan answered that he won't take the charge of dispatching people to Critical or Support. 
23:35:28
FD
Then, basically, all our sysadmin volunteers have been parked on the related mailing list, with no leader taking care of them. 
23:35:33
bdmc
I know.  That is why we need people from Support also involved with that mailing list.  We have also tried to send people who self-identified as Support to that team, but I don't know what success that has had. 
23:35:54
Support Team, that was. 
23:36:24
FD
I never heard of anybody else at support beyond Dirk and perhaps Joost. 
23:36:46
bdmc
That is why we need more people there, I think. 
23:37:21
Etienne
Ales and GuKKDevel are at triage, I think and waiting for an ABC. 
23:37:53
FD
I wanted to say, that neither Joost, nor Dirk, I am afraid, will take the lead in the recruitment process for the support team. 
23:37:58
bdmc
Can we somehow get in touch with Dirk, and ask him how he wants to proceed? 
23:38:26
We have people who have volunteered to help.  I want to put them to work. 
23:40:24
ted
IIRC the usual process for support team members is to start with triage 
23:40:35
Because not ABC is necessary 
23:41:17
bdmc
That sounds reasonable, both from the ABC point and because that will give them a chance to get introduced to the system. 
23:41:43
FD
Well, we may identify a few "meta volunteers", whom first mission would not to join a team, but to recruit other volunteers for a team. 
23:42:37
bdmc
Are you talking about people who know a particular team, or our "raw recruits?" 
23:44:37
FD
I am talking about our "raw and rare recruits". Some of them are "high profile/potential", being owner of their own business, for example. 
23:45:31
They may perhaps help us in the "triage" of the applicants, i.e. selection of the profiles and the team which they may match with. 
23:45:38
bdmc
I think that I would rather have existing team members introduce the new volunteers to a team, and get them started. 
23:46:11
I don't know that any of the "new volunteers" could make that determination.  However, I have been known to be wrong. 
23:46:33
FD
This is just time consuming, because for doing that, they need, we need, to talk to people: "what to you want", '"would you mind if", "here is the mission of the team", etc. 
23:47:02
to -> do 
23:48:22
bdmc
Hmmm.  This is an interesting idea.  Anybody else with thoughts on how to handle our flood of volunteers before we lose them? 
23:50:00
FD
Well, recruitment to Arbitration is our second most important concern, after support. 
23:50:15
Here, the recruitment processe depends on Mario and Lambert. 
23:50:26
It depends on them at 100% perhaps. 
23:50:37
Ian Alastair cannot do more. 
23:51:01
His mail was a great mail, very well written, very appealing. 
23:51:19
But applicants need Lambert or Mario to step in now. 
23:51:32
Arbitration is crucial, we know it so well 
23:51:49
It easily blocks all the other operations. 
23:52:08
ted
Problem is, Arbitration should have some experience with CAcert... 
23:52:11
bdmc
Definitely.  Most of our teams are important, but, to some extent, they all interact with Arbitration. 
23:52:59
ted: Agreed.  It is difficult to make "legal" decisions about our Policies, with no prior knowledge. 
23:53:26
ted
How about trying to establish an "arbitration working grop" trying to fix the broken(?) ABC process? 
23:53:28
bdmc
However, most of our volunteers have some experience with CAcert, being users at least, and probably more involved. 
23:53:56
Etienne
I created for me (but can also share it) some documents, like a all-policy-book. 
23:53:59
ted
No need to be arbitrator at all, just look at the process, what is the problem, trying to find a solution 
23:54:39
FD
And what's about Adrian who said he would step in the frozen ABC ruling? It was one month ago, if I recall well. 
23:54:47
bdmc
Did I hear ( read ) somewhere, that the ABC process could be ( relatively ) easily fixed if a current arbitrator just re-opened the case that broke it? 
23:55:42
Incidentally, folks.  We are 5 minutes to midnight. 
23:56:16
ted
There is some ruling that the process is broken and has to be fixed by the Arbitrator homself (the one who gave the ruling). 
23:56:22
Etienne
Andreas B, last answer 2 weeks ago, not a month. 
23:56:40
ted
The second part is absord, but the first part should at least be thoroughly considered. 
23:57:04
Etienne
ted, It can be understand, that this is the arbitrator of this case. 
23:57:39
ted
IIRC this bas Benny B, who left in 2016 
23:57:46
Etienne
(this is only from a linguistic point of view, not of Arb's view) 
23:57:57
FD
Andreas, sorry for the typo. It was on the 31st of August. https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-board-private/2019-08/msg00048.html 
23:58:23
Etienne
and later correspondance between the secretary and A.B. 
23:58:30
FD
Good. 
00:00:25
bdmc
OK.  Unless somebody wants to keep on working after midnight, I think that I will have to call this off, now.  Perhaps we can continue in the Board Private mailing list, perhaps with some people CC'd, although that doesn't seem to work very well. ( the mailing list, that is ) 
00:00:36
Etienne
If there are no more important topics, I have to leave you in a few minutes. 
00:00:59
FD
Thank you very much. 
00:01:00
bdmc
Can we do a quick motion about Dominik?  Or do you want to leave that one, Etienne? 
00:01:14
ted
The blog post Brian corrected can be posted "in proxy of CAcert secretary"? 
00:01:47
bdmc
Because it will show you as the "author?" 
00:01:48
Etienne
or you mail it to me and the secretary will do it 
00:02:19
ted
OK, I'll forward it to Etienne. 
00:02:25
FD
Would you like to have the French translation of the post? 
00:02:28
Etienne
Thank you, Ted 
00:02:51
FD, we do this on our own. 
00:04:19
FD
What is the date of our next meeting? 
00:04:25
bdmc
OK.  No new members tonight. 
00:04:34
One week, or more? 
00:04:42
Etienne
10 Oct 2019 
00:04:42
24 or 31 Oct 2019 
00:04:42
AGM 30 Nov 2019 
00:05:17
bdmc
Not the 17th? 
00:05:26
How about the 10th, then? 
00:05:38
FD
the 10th suits me well 
00:06:02
bdmc
I have a meeting immediately afterwards, but the 10th works for me. 
00:06:23
Etienne
So, we will try another 90min meeting ;-) 
00:06:47
FD
Good night then, 
00:06:58
Good afternoon Brian, 
00:07:16
Etienne
Thank you very much and good night (resp. other meeting, bdmc) 
00:07:17
* ted waved goodbye. 
00:07:22
bdmc
I hereby call us closed, and we will meet again! 
00:07:28
Good night, all. 
00:07:50
FD
Bonne nuit Etienne, 
Etienne
Bonne nuit, Frédéric 
00:08:14
FD
Bye Gero and Gute nacht Bernhard, 
00:08:16
bdmc
FD: We will "talk" some more. 
00:08:31
multiple subjects 
00:08:59
Bye for now, FD, Etienne, Gero, Ted, and whoever else is here.  Have a good night. 
00:09:08
FD
Bye. 


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