KiwiIRC CAcert10 #board-meeting bdmc egal FD 22:19:09 bdmc I don't understand. What do last week's minutes have to do with Board Private message 6? FD's link? 22:20:30 Etienne Sorry, Brian, I tougth, you are talking about the message, that we will openn the focus to non ABCed people (that is what is written in the minutes). 22:21:49 bdmc No, I was talking about this person who, apparently, had his CV posted in Board Private. 22:23:48 Etienne That was my error, to interprating you short message in another way as you meant it. 22:24:12 bdmc Not a problem. 22:26:48 bdmc OK. I have now read the message in the archive, and do recognise it. He looks like a very good candidate. Etienne KiwiIRC CAcert10 #board-meeting bdmc egal FD 21:57:29 [NickServ] Welcome to CAcert, Etienne! Here on CAcert, we provide services to enable the registration of nicknames and channels! For details, type /msg NickServ help and /msg ChanServ help. 21:57:29 → Etienne has joined 21:57:51 FD Bonsoir Etienne, 21:58:04 Etienne Bonsoir Frédéric 21:59:56 → dops has joined 22:00:21 → bdmc has joined 22:00:59 bdmc I see that we probably have enough for a quorum, but do we want to wait a few minutes to see if anyone else joins? 22:01:08 → Treasurer has joined 22:02:09 Etienne Bonsoir Frédéric 2 22:02:14 Hello Brian 22:02:33 FD Bonsoir Frédéric 22:02:39 Good afternoon Brian. Starting on time would give us a chance to go to the end of the agenda today. 22:03:32 bdmc In that case, we will start only three minutes late. 22:03:41 I hereby call this meeting to order. 22:03:41 FD https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2019-09-05 22:03:51 bdmc Thank you, Frederic ( FD ) 22:04:12 Treasurer Bonsoir Frédéric 22:04:36 bdmc Etienne: We have got into the habit of assuming that you will be doing the minutes. If you ever need someone else to do so, please speak up. 22:04:58 Etienne I have a paper and a peen near the keyboard ;-) 22:05:01 bdmc We now have 1 hour and 55 minutes until midnight. 22:06:17 FD I motion to accept the minutes from 29 August 22:06:25 https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2019-08-29#Minutes 22:06:33 Etienne second and aye 22:06:33 bdmc I will second that. 22:06:38 FD yes 22:06:38 Treasurer aye 22:06:38 bdmc Aye 22:07:01 Passed. 22:07:19 Anything in the mailing lists to look at? 22:07:57 FD Nothing more than what has been put already into the today's agenda. 22:08:03 bdmc Thank you. 22:08:54 The Secretary has asked that we not follow the order of the Agenda, but instead start with item 2.5.1 -- Personnel 22:10:17 Etienne As you could read in the message from WvdR, critical team neads the names (or at least first names) of the successors within 3 weeks. 22:10:47 Today, FD, sent the CV of candidate #1. 22:10:47 bdmc Do we have anybody to put on that list, yet? 22:11:00 Good 22:11:35 FD https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-board-private/2019-09/msg00006.html 22:11:38 bdmc Since we are most concerned with capability and conflicts of interest, I gather that they pass both criteria? 22:12:13 FD Who are "they"? The candidates for the Critical Team? 22:12:54 bdmc Etienne said that "we" have one CV, so far. That they. 22:13:30 Etienne We = the readers of board private list 22:14:01 bdmc yes 22:14:35 Etienne Furthermore, I contacted two people with no answer until now; so I have to ask again. 22:14:49 Maybe others have also some names in mind? 22:15:33 bdmc ( I don't seem to have received that message. ) 22:16:29 Etienne (you did: https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2019-08-29#Minutes) 22:18:10 Etienne FD, how to continue with B.F.? 22:18:51 FD Well, I would suggest a welcome video call together with you, Brian and Wytze. 22:19:54 bdmc I would be happy to do so. 22:25:05 Etienne Any strategy for ##2&3? 22:25:56 FD Pardon me, I don't understand what you are talking about? 22:26:51 Etienne As critical team needs more than one person, we need at least one, better two other people. 22:27:09 Treasurer Thank you 22:27:19 for decoding 22:27:54 bdmc Probably more than one "local," too. We know that a lot of the work can be done remotely, but also need to have people who can visit the data centre if needed. 22:28:17 I know, 360km is not exactly local. 22:30:02 FD I may propose Johan Bloemberg, from Arnhem, Netherlands. He is a new contact of mine on LinkedIn. 22:30:26 He wrote to me: "thanks for the invitation. I guess this is a volunteering job? At the moment I'm too busy in my spare time to dedicate much time to side projects, I just moved and already have some project I'm working on. 22:30:26 But if you ever need local hands-on for a short project feel free to contact me, I can probably spare a day or 2 in the weekends occasionally." 22:30:34 bdmc That sounds like he would be closer than the other candidate. 22:31:50 bdmc I wonder whether ( I know, I am going outside the bounds ) he could be a fourth candidate, reserved for work on site, although being informed about everything that was happening, as well. 22:33:13 bdmc Google tells me that the distance is about 25km. 22:33:59 Then candidates 2 and 3 could be people anywhere in Britain and Europe. 22:34:59 FD The difference with Brent is that Johan (1) is a devops engineer, not a sysadmin, (2) had nothing to do with CAcert (yet). He may be welcomed, but will have to discover how our Certifcate Authority works. 22:35:15 bdmc Alternately, we could look anywhere in the world for other candidates, so that we have 24 hour coverage. 22:35:59 Etienne In my understanding, there is no limit of members for the critical team. 22:36:19 bdmc FD: True, but in his work he has probably had more to do with "running" machines than, for instance, a technical writer. 22:36:51 Etienne: True, but I thought that we were concentrating on people who were "near" Ede. 22:37:27 If we had one or two people who were local, then other candidates could be from anywhere. 22:37:49 FD Johan is a Red Hat Certified Engineer, according to his profile on LinkedIn. 22:37:51 https://www.linkedin.com/in/johanbloemberg/ 22:38:25 He owns a LPIC-2 22:38:30 bdmc Which means that he could probably pick up the Debian environment reasonably easily. 22:39:14 FD He completed his studies at the Technisch College Ede. 22:40:01 Etienne bdmc: one or two should be near Ede for access (seldom). The others can work by remote access (often). 22:40:11 bdmc His "About" box exactly answers our needs. 22:40:21 Etienne: Agreed. 22:40:34 Treasurer Excellent point. He may also have connections around, from his own academic period or from the alumni 22:41:33 bdmc Treasurer: Good point. Somewhere in his 500+ connections. 22:41:45 FD Addressing Etienne's point, basically our strategy might be to look on LinkedIn for people of such a profile, in order to find #3 and #4, and so on. 22:42:50 bdmc I would probably been good to check those people against our existing Community membership, as well. If they are already members and users, that would be ideal. 22:43:00 Etienne Well, I looked around me and in my <500 connections first. 22:43:15 bdmc ( Darn!!! === It would probably be good ... ) 22:43:41 ( Darn fingers. Don't seem to write what I am thinking! ) 22:44:17 Etienne bdmc: good point, but difficult to execute. For Inc members, you may ask the secretary. For the 370 000 CAcert.org members, I do not know who has access to see what is in the data bank. (Wytze can use it to mail them.) 22:45:52 FD We may parse the CAcert group on LinkedIn et contact group members with a sysadmin competence. 22:45:57 bdmc I was thinking of "Find An Assurer." 22:46:26 Etienne Yes, this can work for about 4000 of them, yes. 22:46:42 bdmc That, of course, would reduce the 370,000 but would show people who were, at some time, active. 22:47:13 FD https://www.linkedin.com/groups/89248/ I see there 576 members. 22:48:24 Etienne 370 000 = registered members; assurers: 6700; assurer candidates = members >100 points = 10 000 22:50:26 bdmc That looks like a good pool. If even some of them have the correct qualifications, and are interested in helping with either Critical Team or Support, that would be a BIG step forward. 22:50:28 Etienne FD: 3 groups at Linkedin, 1 group at Xing, 1 group at Facebook. We can discuss, who will post our letter there: FD, Etienne, PR (will be back in 3 days). 22:51:11 bdmc I am a member of LinkedIn, not the others. I am very happy to put my name on anything going out. 22:52:05 Etienne When you hire people, there's always two choices: Either someone who has worked his way up from the bottom and already knows everything. Or someone from outside, who brings in new knowledge, but first has to get to know some internals and the company culture. 22:52:58 Should we / How check the candidates before accept them and register at arb for ABC? Probabely ABC will not be finished until handover. 22:53:07 bdmc Precisely. And both can add to the organisation. 22:53:57 Etienne: But, as I understand, Wytze wants to know that there are people in the pipeline, not necessarily that they are in place, correct? 22:54:12 Etienne At least, they should subscribe at CAcert.org (to have a certificate and be bound to the CCA). 22:55:11 bdmc: I told him, that we are negocating with people, internal and external. Crit will have names until the end of the month and the hand over in october. 22:55:24 → Peter has joined 22:55:31 bdmc Having a certificate of their own, and having installed the root certificate for themselves, seems like a requirement. 22:56:03 Welcome Peter M. We are discussing Item 2.5. 22:56:30 Etienne Hello Peter, welcome, we are at 2.5.1 critical team (all the rest skipped for the moment) 23:00:33 bdmc OK. We are one hour in, one hour until midnight. Have we done enough for this topic for now, or do we have more to do? 23:01:02 Treasurer good from me 23:01:02 Etienne Who agrees to continue this discussion on a mailing list (as maybe some good ideas will come to our minds only tomorrow or so)? 23:01:54 FD Do we have to invite Brent and Johan to a talk? 23:04:04 bdmc That might be worthwhile. Probably evening, though, since everybody else has to work. 23:04:33 Etienne FD, probabely with have to discuss some details before (on the list) this week end. Talkd after wards is a good idea. 23:04:46 With -> we have 23:06:00 FD It is fine for me. 23:07:02 bdmc OK, do we want to talk about 2.5.2, or move on to Finances? 23:07:24 Etienne 2.5.2 in short: 23:07:32 bdmc Since we have Peter, I would vote for 2.6. 23:08:10 Treasurer agreed 2.6 23:08:12 Etienne Andreas Bäß is reactivated, Thomas Bremer and Nick Bebout: waiting for answer. 23:08:23 bdmc Good news. 23:09:21 Thank you, Etienne. Moving on to 2.6 -- Finances. Item 2.6.1 -- Westpac. 23:09:26 FD Alexander Prinsier explicitely declined. 23:10:05 bdmc Sorry. Thought that we were done. So he was an Arbitrator ( or candidate ) ? I thought that he was for Critical Team. 23:10:48 Etienne (Prinsier was/is also inactive arbitrator, but said, no more active at CAcert, because of the missiing browser integration) 23:11:03 FD https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-board-private/2019-08/msg00025.html 23:11:05 bdmc Yes, I saw that message. 23:11:39 FD https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-board-private/2019-08/msg00025/Screen_Shot_2019-08-20_at_10.... 23:13:15 bdmc Time to move on? 23:13:35 Etienne Yes. Question: has egal access to Westpac too, now? 23:13:42 FD As we are on Arbs, may you answer my question in 3.1? 23:14:51 FD Why did you write Etienne about Karl-Heinz: "stalled because of Eva's case" 23:16:47 Etienne Someone had the idea to store the three allowed emergency ABCs for super important cases. Andreas B now wants to present a revised ABC and check the people on the waiting list. 23:17:37 For Karl-Heinz, contact the case manager (maybe Ted?) 23:17:58 FD What do you mean with a revised ABC? 23:19:03 Etienne Read the ruling at: https://wiki.cacert.org/Arbitrations/a20140124.1?highlight=%28ABC%29 If Andreas B takes over the case, he will be "the arbitrator of this case". 23:19:20 bdmc FD: As I understand it, Etienne will fill in the details, one of the Arbitrators had an objection to the old ABC procedure, and said that they could not proceed without revising that process. 23:20:16 Etienne He said, ABC will be fozen until he ("the arbitrator of this case") has rewritten the ABC. Then he left CAcert. 23:21:09 Now our hopes rest on Andreas, who wants to take over the (not yet closed) case. 23:21:57 FD What does mean "rewrite the ABC"? Is there a lot of consultations and documentation at doing it? Does Andreas need help on that? 23:23:59 Etienne I don't know. However, I believe that as few people as possible should have an insight into the ABC Guide. And because of the separation of powers: he is judicial, we are executive, policy group is legislative. 23:26:01 FD In regards to ABC for Karl-Heinz (Bernhard is the case manager, as you said), what are the next steps to be completed to make the ABC passed? 23:27:43 Etienne The case manager ask the arbitrator to do the ruling. 23:27:43 FD https://wiki.cacert.org/Arbitrations/a20160816.1 23:28:30 Etienne (30 min left for finances) 23:29:09 FD The arbitrator is Lambert. What is blocking here? Should we contact him, or is it a matter between Bernhard and Lambert only? 23:29:55 Just trying to fix as much problems as possible, if any can be solved. 23:31:13 Etienne In principle, anyone can ask him. But since we are on the board, he can take that as interference. Some arbitrators are very sensitive. I don't know Lambert. 23:33:35 FD Thank you for the explanation. 23:34:38 Etienne (25 min) 23:34:55 bdmc All right to move on? 23:35:01 Treasurer yes 23:36:48 Treasurer and? 23:37:22 bdmc Item 2.6.1 -- Westpac. I see your name on this, Peter. Anything you want to report? 23:37:50 Etienne Peter and egal, can you join (virtually) to organise egal's access to the bank account? 23:38:02 FD The point is linked to question 3.2 23:38:02 Peter Nothing to report. The balances are the same. 23:38:38 Treasurer What does egal mean? 23:38:55 bdmc That's Dirk's name here. 23:39:16 FD Egal is the ciphered code name for Dirk. Just to make thing easy to understand. 23:39:35 bdmc B-) 23:39:35 Peter I am happy to pass access to someone else and end my term on the board. I have already started a project that makes board meetings difficult. 23:39:51 bdmc Thank you, Peter. We understand. 23:40:20 I presume that that would need to be someone in Australia, or would it require someone more local than that? 23:40:34 Peter Westpac is national 23:40:36 ← FD has quit (Connection closed) 23:40:43 bdmc That's what I thought. 23:40:47 → FD has joined 23:41:00 FD Peter: who is the one having access to the Westpac account after you will pass access? 23:41:37 Peter The access was passed to me easily as I had online access. 23:41:46 bdmc That is what we need to determine. I suspect that we need to recruit an Australian member to be the "owner of record." 23:41:47 Treasurer As a Treasurer, how comes I don't have control of this bank account? Log in? Download datas? 23:42:11 Peter You will also need an Australian as public officer 23:42:24 bdmc Treasurer: I think that it would require personal access to a Westpac branch. 23:42:38 FD There is the mail of Kevin, who stated that we tried to pass access to Dirk in the past 23:42:43 https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-board-private/2019-07/msg00003.html 23:42:45 Etienne The public officer has to be a NSW resident, but not a board member. 23:43:09 FD The question of the public officer is another one. 23:43:10 Peter If you have a Westpac account of any type, you get online access and I can transfer control. 23:43:20 Etienne Until 1 min, I understood, that Peter will leave board, but remain de juro Public officer. 23:43:31 FD Me too. 23:43:56 Peter If you do not have an account, you would have to as Westpac for online access to their system. 23:44:12 bdmc ( as = ask? ) 23:44:28 Peter I can be public officer until the AGM or December. 23:44:40 bdmc I suspect that that is a non-starter. Only customers get access to accounts. 23:45:10 egal my i step in and bring some light to westpac? ;-) 23:45:24 FD Great! 23:45:26 bdmc OK. Well, that is news. We did not understand that you were resigning from all activities. 23:45:30 Etienne Before, it would be good to help Dirk (egal) to get online access. Dirk told me: "for account access I have to get a TAN on my mobile phone number and enter it once" that's all. 23:45:57 egal you have to authenticate at westpac to get a "personal number" to access westpac-accounts. 23:46:13 there is one westpac-office in europe, located in london 23:46:36 bdmc and authentication requires a personal visit, correct? 23:47:07 egal to make it easier, one should show up at their office with somebody, who has already access to the westpac-account ... 23:47:24 in my case it was ian grigg (who is not in london anymore) 23:47:49 bdmc I hear that he doesn't get out of Malta very often. 23:48:07 egal unfortunately ian does not have the right to add new members to the westpac-account, so this should be done by kevin 23:48:23 bdmc egal: Do I understand that you two did visit the Westpac branch together? 23:48:56 Etienne Peter, do you have the rights to add new members to the westpac account? 23:49:29 Peter I am looking and cannot find that option 23:49:29 egal at the personal visit at westpac we both showed our id-documents AND (in my case) one of the latest phone/water/power-bills showing my name and address ... 23:50:04 (it's different than the procedure you do for german (maybe europan) banks) 23:50:32 bdmc Peter: It sounds as if, if you can, you and Kevin should talk and see about transferring that power to you. ( I know, it will only be temporary. ) 23:50:37 Peter Add user: https://www.westpac.com.au/business-banking/online-banking/support-faqs/add-a-new-user/ 23:50:49 I do not have the Administration section 23:51:16 bdmc I wonder whether Kevin can give you that power, or if you need a branch to do so. 23:52:18 egal as far as i remember the westpac official told us that kevin is able to do so in his administative interface 23:52:28 bdmc ( We are learning new things all the time. ) 23:52:46 Treasurer Do we need this bank account? 23:52:49 bdmc egal: So he can assign other Administrators. 23:52:59 FD Dirk: does it mean that you have online access to our WestPac accounts and can order the transfers which we need to do to Secure-U through TransferWise for instance? 23:53:33 See: https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-board/2019-07/msg00006.html 23:53:35 egal currently i only have the authentication/id/... number from westpac ... nothing else 23:54:01 FD In July, Kevin wrote: "The move to give Dirk access to the accounts stalled 2 years ago - partly because we couldn't make it work; partly, I imagine, because of the use of Paypal. I have mentioned to the Board a couple of times that it is possible to give him this access if still desired, now that I have found a critical piece of information about the process; I don't recall having received any replies (otherwise it would have been finalised). Giving 23:54:02 Peter access to the accounts showed that it is now possible." 23:54:08 Peter Can you log in to the online system? 23:54:20 bdmc egal: Which means that you should be able to log into their online system and access accounts, correct? 23:54:36 FD So, what is blocking you further? 23:55:20 bdmc Peter, what is the address ( URL ) for Westpac's online system? 23:55:28 Etienne I can serve with a bank account from March 2020. If Peter can wait that long. Or if we transfer all our money to secure-U before then, we don't need Westpac anymore. 23:55:49 FD And your login / password too, please. 23:55:55 Just kidding. 23:56:15 Peter https://banking.westpac.com.au 23:56:20 bdmc Etienne: Except for all of the places where we have advertised that account. 23:56:25 Peter Login is at the top right. 23:56:35 FD Brian: you are righté 23:57:26 Treasurer But since we don't know 23:57:43 bdmc egal: We know that you won't have "ultimate" access, but can you log in to that system? 23:57:50 Treasurer how much transaction it receives, I guess that is not so much 23:59:10 Etienne bdmc: That's right. But if we have an IBAN number, Westpac will only be relevant for donations from Australia. It is enough to check once a year what is there. There is the question whether Peter (on paper) remains a public officer and looks into the account once a year in this function. Otherwise no task. 23:59:30 FD Linux Australia will prefer to transfer the grant to WestPac than to Deutche Bank :-) 00:00:57 FD egal: Dirk, are you able to log into WestPac online system and access our accounts? 00:01:10 egal nope 00:01:52 @peter let's switch to private for westpac details ... 00:02:19 bdmc Hmmm. Obviously you would have tried the "forgot password" process if that was the problem. I wonder what is blocking you. As you say, we will need to work on that. 00:02:56 If Peter doesn't have access to the Administrative menu section, he probably can't help much more until he gets that access. 00:03:16 FD Kevin can help. 00:03:18 Kevin wrote in July, about giving access to Dirk: "I have mentioned to the Board a couple of times that it is possible to give him this access if still desired, now that I have found a critical piece of information about the process". 00:03:36 bdmc OK. I see that it is midnight. 00:04:38 bdmc FD: I would suggest that Kevin give Peter Administrative access, as we have been discussing. Do we want to see if Dirk can get it, too, or just "regular" access? 00:05:12 FD I would be very good to give full administrative access to Drik. 00:05:27 Etienne I think both is good. So we have in AUS and EUR someone with full access. 00:06:15 bdmc I agree. I move that we contact Kevin and ask him to give Peter M. and Dirk Administrator access to the CAcert Westpac account. 00:06:22 Etienne second and aye 00:06:33 Treasurer And how do I have access? 00:06:55 bdmc Treasurer: Are you not resigning in a month? 00:07:16 ← FD has left (Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) 00:07:20 bdmc I would be very happy if you weren't. 00:07:22 → FD has joined 00:07:25 Treasurer I am resigning as soon as you find a successor 00:07:37 egal @treasurer if the procedure did not change at westpac it may be that we have to meet in london at westpac ... 00:07:38 Treasurer In the meantime, I worry 00:08:21 bdmc In today's banking world, I would expect it to be more difficult, not less, so I agree with Dirk. 00:09:32 Treasurer I don't need to be the owner, I need to see who send what to this account 00:10:20 egal some information from the past: as it's quite complicated and somehow expensive to get access to westpac there was the decision to set up a financial team (which should be stable over the years), which works close to the treasurer ... so there is no need to do the westpac authentication again and again after every treasurer change 00:11:15 bdmc Yes, we had that very briefly, but it didn't last as long as the Treasurer, as I remember. 00:11:38 Treasurer Anyway, you're right. Let's do the easiest way, as the best is enemy of the good enough 00:11:49 Etienne treasurer: if you get a cacert.org address, the financial team can send you bank documents over our internal servers = very sure. 00:11:51 Treasurer therefore, aye 00:12:34 Etienne other ayes, nays? 00:12:37 FD I vote yes to the motion, too. 00:12:37 bdmc Yes, we have an outstanding motion. Aye, if necessary. 00:13:36 OK. Is there anything else that we want to discuss this morning? Any other Agenda items? 00:14:09 Etienne Please read the news about twitter and grants in the agenda on your own. 00:14:12 Treasurer €798.35 EUR in Paypal, for the record and your information 00:14:18 Peter Where do I load up the satements? Can I use email? 00:14:20 FD The motion we just voted on was proposed by Brian at [00:06:15]. Just to make it easier to find it back for the minutes maker. 00:15:05 Peter aye 00:15:51 bdmc Peter: As mentioned by Etienne a couple of minutes ago, do you have a cacert.org account, or perhaps a Protonmail account? 00:16:29 FD Or perhaps a CAcert cert, which makes possible to send encrypted mail, after all? 00:16:37 bdmc True 00:17:02 Since we "Have the Technology!" 00:17:07 FD True 00:17:35 Etienne Peter and treasurer: you can get a cacert.org adress here: https://wiki.cacert.org/Technology/TechnicalSupport/EndUserSupport/CommunityE-Mail 00:18:04 From cacert.org to cacert.org mails remains on our servers. 00:18:39 Even if its not encrypted, this is a secure way. 00:19:18 bdmc Only if you are using Webmail. If you use that address from your own server, it travels over the Internet. Using the mailcrypt technology that Etienne found us, in GMail, would be another layer of security. 00:19:41 Peter I have a cacert email and it is set to SSL/TLS 00:20:09 bdmc That should do the trick. 00:20:13 FD I will put that in our next grant application, that nobody needs our certificates for sending secure emails, enough is to get a regular email account from us. :-) 00:20:17 Treasurer thank you. I didn't know. This is why I can receive to treasurer@cacert.org because it has an alias to my personal mailbox but I can't send securely or against anti-spam 00:20:47 bdmc Peter: Mail to secretary at cacert.org and all will be fine. 00:21:27 FD Treasurer: Frederic, are 798.35 EUR the remaining amount on the PayPal account after that you paid the invoice 2018-2 of €1,324.09 for the hosting period June 2018 to November 2018? 00:21:48 Treasurer yes 00:22:18 bdmc And the next invoice is about the same amount, correct? 00:22:34 FD the invoice 2019-1 of €1,349.27 for hosting period November 2018 to May 2019 00:22:49 Not paid yet, right? 00:23:04 bdmc Which means that the Paypal account has about half of what is necessary. 00:23:27 Treasurer right, waiting for transfer tricks to pay from Westpac and avoiding hidden transfer / change fees 00:23:51 Westpac Community Solutions One AU$868.59 00:23:59 FD We knew that the invoice 2019-1 would have to be paid from WestPac. See 2.6.4 00:24:01 Treasurer Westpac Business Cach Reserve AU$2219.27 00:24:14 Etienne 360K-Mail will be sent in a few hours by Wytze. So, some money should come in next week. 00:24:17 Peter Just sent latest statement to secretary@ 00:24:25 Etienne Thankk you, Peter. 00:24:54 Treasurer Time to sleep 00:25:03 bdmc Exactly. 00:25:08 Etienne Please, one minute. 00:25:09 bdmc Next meeting, All? 00:25:16 Etienne I was just informed by a CAcert.org member "by the way, as a DRO you can inquire what is with a case... but: you are not allowed to interfere in the ruling or the decision making for it." 00:25:28 So: I motion, that board as DRO ask the arbitrator in charge of the ABC over Karl Heinz G. about the progress of the case and what's missing to close the case. 00:25:42 bdmc I will second that. 00:25:47 Treasurer aye 00:25:47 Etienne (this is Question time 3.1) 00:25:49 egal i wouldn't do it ... 00:26:04 FD Why ? 00:26:04 egal this documents it in the motion system ... 00:26:12 bdmc egal: Because of the appearance of interference? 00:26:24 egal could be seen as ... yep ... 00:26:53 FD OK 00:26:54 360K-Mail: how are we prepared to handle about ~3000 incoming emails next week? 00:26:58 egal which means: contact the arbitrator: yes ... but don't document it in the motion system ... 00:27:01 Etienne But we can do it without a motion/motion system? 00:27:03 bdmc I can understand that. 00:27:27 egal sure ... ;-) 00:27:39 Etienne So I change the ayes to OKs and will remove the word "motion" for the minutes. 00:27:55 egal but only ONE person should contact lambert ... 00:28:02 FD 360K-Mail: how are we prepared to handle about ~3000 incoming emails next week? 00:28:13 bdmc Thank you. I was trying to write you something and tripping over my fingers. 00:28:33 egal ... during the time i was on board we had the issue, that more board-members contacted the arbitrator in a case ... which caused confusion 00:28:34 bdmc Yes, as Secretary, you can contact Lambert and the Case Manager together. 00:28:57 Etienne OK, the secretary will do it. 00:29:01 FD OK 00:29:06 bdmc We don't want to send messages to one and not inform the other. 00:29:31 OK. Back to the "Next Meeting" question. 00:29:34 egal @fd: mails will be sent out from support@cacert.org ... so support will receive mails ... 00:29:54 (... triage ... support ... more work for me ... need help there ... ;-) ) 00:29:59 FD Support. How many divisions? 00:30:29 bdmc FD: "Divisions?" 00:30:30 Etienne (but into the mail some contact possibilities are given. The secretary started allready to have some standard answers for standard questions) 00:31:00 Peter I have to go. Bye 00:31:09 Etienne Thank you Peter 00:31:10 bdmc Have a good day, Peter. 00:31:16 ← Peter has quit (Quit: Leaving) 00:31:17 egal i don't know the content of the mail ... but we should be aware, that support will receive a lot of replys ... 00:31:26 Etienne egal: ABCed help or ordinary help? 00:31:28 FD bdmc: armoured ones. 00:31:43 Bye Peter. 00:31:47 bdmc egal: Including bounces and undeliverable. 00:31:48 egal ABCed ... and trained ... of course ... ;-) 00:32:14 bounces and undeliverable should be caught by triage 00:33:05 Etienne (I would be interested - to know the truth - how many of 369 000 are no more working) 00:33:05 FD Who is behind "triage"? 00:33:35 We will know in a few hours. 00:33:58 egal @etienne: in theory all should work ... otherwise it's a violation of CCA ... which could be used for account termination ... 00:34:13 (these are the words from MM ... somehow ...) 00:34:56 Etienne I know, but theory is only one side. After all this mails, have you still the manpower for terminations? 00:34:59 egal (well ... there can be always times why an email is temporary not in a good-working-order ...) 00:35:35 Etienne egal, if you need help from oridnary people, tell it now. 00:35:59 bdmc Or even from us! B-) 00:36:32 Treasurer You are extra-ordinary, it doesn't fit 00:36:42 egal karl-heinz and ales are doing triage ... but they can't answer support mails or access the account-database ... 00:37:16 triage is pre-sorting the mails ... the work needs to be done by me ... and sometimes joost ... 00:37:37 that's why support takes quite loooooong time ... as my time is limited ... 00:38:29 FD Karl-Heinz will be able to do support, after having been ABC'ed by Lambert? 00:38:45 egal: 3.3 Dirk, what's about granting me write access to the blog? 00:39:38 Etienne treasurer: In the mail we give other contact data, not support. So people who can read will get an answer from someone else. 00:39:39 egal after some training: yes ... (karl-heinz is only some km away from me, so training should be easy) 00:39:58 for blog you should have write access if using a cacert-certificate ... 00:40:40 FD There is no other means? 00:41:16 bdmc FD: Are you still fighting the certificate system? 00:41:55 FD bdmc: no, thanks to Dirk and Joost, I regained total access to my account a few weeks ago. Thanks. 00:42:44 Etienne bdmc asked for the next meeting. 12/19/26? 00:42:46 Treasurer I have to go too. Bye 00:42:48 bdmc I am concerned about the time. Are there any more things that we need to discuss tonight? 00:43:09 egal @fd: joost and i set next to each other for this issue ... needed some discussion between us .. but now we're clear for these cases ... ;-) 00:43:26 FD Thank you ! 00:43:30 bdmc Etienne: That seems a bit far in the future. 00:43:35 egal access to blog is only possible using a certificate 00:43:57 FD egal: OK 00:44:00 Etienne next meeting 12th/19th/26th sept. 2019 20:00UTC? 00:44:09 FD Etienne: 26th of September 00:44:21 bdmc Ahhh! 00:44:25 FD: Not before? 00:44:41 Etienne And all about critical will be handled before in a bilateral way? 00:44:56 FD We came across nearly all of our agenda. 00:45:14 @Etienne: yes 00:45:29 bdmc I was going to suggest the 19th, but we can go another week, if we communicate. 00:45:51 FD If you prefer the 19th, I do not object. 00:46:02 Etienne OK, 19-09-2019 and before mails and telephone conferences. 00:46:04 Treasurer neither, do I 00:46:27 FD You know Brian, that I want to please you each and every time when I can do so. 00:46:28 Etienne If everything gos well, 26 is OK, if not, 19th gives some security time 00:46:50 egal btw: there is a westpac office is still in london ... they did not move within the last 4 years ... ;-) ... and ... ID verfication has to be done in a westpac office ... 00:47:08 FD OK 00:47:08 bdmc OK. I will see you all, and anybody else who wants to join us, in two weeks. 00:47:21 FD Ok for the 19th 00:47:24 Treasurer 19, then. Bye 00:47:33 Etienne Thank you and good bye. 00:47:40 egal good night ... ;-) 00:47:41 bdmc In that case, I hereby declare this meeting concluded. 00:47:47 Good night all. 00:47:51 FD Good night or good afternoon. 00:47:52 ← Treasurer has left 00:48:04 bdmc FD: Into my evening, already. 00:48:12 FD Oh! 00:48:12 bdmc 18:48 00:48:29 FD Good evening, then! 00:48:31 bdmc See you soon. B-) 00:48:32 Etienne 00:48-5:45........................ good night 14 Users ~GuKKDevel_log @ChanServ bdmc decay dirk_on_server dops egal Etienne FD nb nemunaire Skeeper ynazarov zerkalo Etienne