Log of Board-meeting 2018-03-15-20:00 UTC Timestamp all UTC +01:00 {{{ 15.03.2018 [20:39:15] hi 15.03.2018 [20:44:57] Hi etienne, do you know all mailaddresses of board members ? 15.03.2018 [21:00:08] Hello @GuKKDevel, yes, I have them, they are all in the ERP. 15.03.2018 [21:00:33] OK so I will look for them 15.03.2018 [21:00:35] Good morning 15.03.2018 [21:00:36] there 15.03.2018 [21:00:59] Good Evening, All. And Good Morning to those of us who are South of the Equator! 15.03.2018 [21:01:03] good mornig good day good evening to all 15.03.2018 [21:01:22] I see four of us. Are there more? 15.03.2018 [21:01:52] Hell everybody 15.03.2018 [21:01:57] Hello 15.03.2018 [21:02:02] B-) 15.03.2018 [21:02:12] I see five 15.03.2018 [21:02:18] Hello everyone 15.03.2018 [21:02:35] Good, so shall we start? 15.03.2018 [21:02:51] Who will volunteer to deal with the minutes? 15.03.2018 [21:03:04] me 15.03.2018 [21:03:18] Thank you K-H. 15.03.2018 [21:03:51] Does anybody have any hard deadlines for today? For once, I don't but I would like to keep this to less than two hours. 15.03.2018 [21:04:15] so end at 22 utc? 15.03.2018 [21:04:24] Agreed, or earlier. 15.03.2018 [21:04:30] I need to go at 21:30 15.03.2018 [21:04:41] OK, we can aim for that. 15.03.2018 [21:05:07] I'll watch 15.03.2018 [21:05:39] Now that that is settled, I will try to keep track of time, too, does anybody want to make a motion to approve last meeting's minutes? 15.03.2018 [21:06:27] has everybody read them? 15.03.2018 [21:06:38] No 15.03.2018 [21:06:48] Forgot 15.03.2018 [21:06:52] I have. I would rather not make the motion myself, since I was not in attendance. 15.03.2018 [21:07:12] neither me, wrote them 15.03.2018 [21:08:22] I forgot something. Peter, do you have a link to those minutes? Etienne, would you please publish the URL for the Agenda, here? 15.03.2018 [21:08:46] Agenda for today: https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2018-03-15?action=recall&rev=6 15.03.2018 [21:08:46] Minutes look good to me. I propose we accept the minutes. 15.03.2018 [21:09:06] Minutes last meeting: https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2018-03-01 15.03.2018 [21:09:22] Second and aye 15.03.2018 [21:09:33] Abstain 15.03.2018 [21:09:37] abstain 15.03.2018 [21:09:47] Aye 15.03.2018 [21:10:30] PeterYuill, I had to find out, but we have a tradition in this board that the person making a motion must also vote for that motion. 15.03.2018 [21:10:44] aye 15.03.2018 [21:10:56] It seemed redundant to me, but.... 15.03.2018 [21:11:04] No problem 15.03.2018 [21:11:13] Looks like the motion has passed. 15.03.2018 [21:11:33] Next, are there any messages in Board or Board Private that need to be brought forward? 15.03.2018 [21:11:50] not from me 15.03.2018 [21:12:35] In that case, I will move forward. Incidentally, if I am going too quickly, just speak up. 15.03.2018 [21:13:30] OK, since I joined this meeting in time for 15:00 ( an hour early ), I had plenty of time to look at the Action Items. Is there anything there that anyone would like to discuss? 15.03.2018 [21:13:56] Have we managed to contact Amos? 15.03.2018 [21:14:40] Yes, we had. He had good news: Yes, I got the final OK just before a busy weekend. 15.03.2018 [21:14:49] I thought about the occasions when someone needs an identity check more than what Mozilla provide with their free certs. 15.03.2018 [21:15:07] I did not come up with an occasion I need one. 15.03.2018 [21:15:29] Not much use for marketing. :-( 15.03.2018 [21:16:46] what are you talking about peter? 15.03.2018 [21:17:22] I will rPeter was thinking about our raison d'être. 15.03.2018 [21:17:25] The marketing text 15.03.2018 [21:17:53] raison d'être.? 15.03.2018 [21:18:06] An action point from the last meeting 15.03.2018 [21:18:16] I wasn't sure when to bring this up, but I wrote a message to a "local" mailing list. Members of that list have been active members of CAcert in the past, both as Assurers and as Assured. 15.03.2018 [21:18:35] So far, I have had one response to that message, saying: 15.03.2018 [21:19:01] SSL has two primary, orthogonal functions: 15.03.2018 [21:19:01] 1) Keep outsiders from listening in on our conversation 15.03.2018 [21:19:01] 2) Assure one or both of us that the other is who they claim to be 15.03.2018 [21:19:01] Certificates are most important in part (2), though common SSL setups require a certificate to exist even to do part (1). Let's Encrypt facilitates part (1), but by offering "an X.509 Certificate for 'free' to anyone," does little or nothing to 15.03.2018 [21:19:05] +uphold part (2). CACert's value is in being a noncommercial broker of part (2). 15.03.2018 [21:19:08] That's my understanding, at least. 15.03.2018 [21:20:25] Checking an id is probably needed by users of tinder, ebay, etc. 15.03.2018 [21:20:30] this would to be handled at 2.1.4 15.03.2018 [21:20:38] I think that that talks to raison d'etre. 15.03.2018 [21:21:41] @GuKKDevel: it is French, but also used in English - no other translation in my dictionary. In German you will say Daseinszweck. 15.03.2018 [21:21:59] thank you Etienne 15.03.2018 [21:22:19] Any other Action Items that we want to discuss, or am I being too fast? 15.03.2018 [21:24:23] OK, on to item 2.1.1. I think that I saw a comment about this, earlier. Correct? 15.03.2018 [21:25:36] Yes, Amos has no issues with his boss, beeing our public officer. We had the confirmation on March 4th. 15.03.2018 [21:26:03] I am just waiting for the confirmation for A9 beeing sent to Fair Trading. 15.03.2018 [21:26:19] Was that paper mail, or electronic? 15.03.2018 [21:27:05] PDF or scanned form sent by mail or paper brougth to a NSW government office - its on you, both possible. 15.03.2018 [21:27:47] Which did you do? 15.03.2018 [21:28:13] I did not walk in their office ;-) 15.03.2018 [21:28:32] Understood. No airplane trips? B-) 15.03.2018 [21:28:50] As the treasurer did not accept to pay the ticket... 15.03.2018 [21:29:18] Yes, he's sticky about that. So I guess that you e-mailed a PDF? 15.03.2018 [21:29:46] Even two: one with the key numbers and one with my credit card details. 15.03.2018 [21:30:21] Ah. There is a fee, I gather. OK, well that should be faster than paper mail. 15.03.2018 [21:30:56] Next, item 2.1.2. Have the Treasurers corresponded? 15.03.2018 [21:31:16] Yes and the fee depends on the date you bring/send it in: up to 1/2/3 month it is 45/75/.... $ 15.03.2018 [21:31:46] treasurer handover was done 15.03.2018 [21:32:01] Etienne: Better sooner, then. 15.03.2018 [21:32:22] Item 2.2. Bug 1260, upgrading PHP. Dirk, are you here? 15.03.2018 [21:32:25] So, the Google Security warnings I had on the teasurer/secretary mail was you? 15.03.2018 [21:32:28] I'm waiting for a notice of a member of treasurer helpers about westpac 15.03.2018 [21:32:37] yepp 15.03.2018 [21:32:49] sorted it out with gero 15.03.2018 [21:34:16] Nothing heard. Perhaps he will join us later. 15.03.2018 [21:34:16] nothing more to say at the moment from me 15.03.2018 [21:34:40] Item 2.3. Bug 1417, generating certificates. 15.03.2018 [21:34:49] Does anybody have anything to say, yet? 15.03.2018 [21:35:17] I had a busy 2 weeks, so little progress on my project, more next time. 15.03.2018 [21:35:35] Thank you, PeterYuill 15.03.2018 [21:35:37] neither me 15.03.2018 [21:36:34] did some work on another bug 15.03.2018 [21:37:22] Thank you both. 15.03.2018 [21:37:27] Greetings, Alex. 15.03.2018 [21:37:48] bdmc you leftout 2.2 15.03.2018 [21:37:56] We are steaming through the Agenda. 15.03.2018 [21:38:02] hello :) 15.03.2018 [21:38:25] hello alex 15.03.2018 [21:38:45] GuKKDevel: I went to 2.2, asked whether Dirk was present, since the Agenda said that he would talk to it, and nobody said anything. 15.03.2018 [21:38:50] We can certainly go back. 15.03.2018 [21:38:55] may I ask who alex you are 15.03.2018 [21:39:05] thanks bdmc 15.03.2018 [21:39:08] sure you may ask 15.03.2018 [21:39:23] B-) 15.03.2018 [21:39:28] do you answer? 15.03.2018 [21:39:32] .-) 15.03.2018 [21:39:42] i dont understand the question 15.03.2018 [21:39:45] ;-) 15.03.2018 [21:39:50] alex@cacert 15.03.2018 [21:39:54] Are you Alex B or Alex UK? 15.03.2018 [21:39:57] B 15.03.2018 [21:39:59] OK, Alex, how about a last name? 15.03.2018 [21:40:03] Thank you. 15.03.2018 [21:40:04] alex@cacert ;-) 15.03.2018 [21:40:11] sorry for confusion. :) 15.03.2018 [21:40:27] mostly we are new 15.03.2018 [21:40:28] May I present you Alex, our PR officer 15.03.2018 [21:40:34] but alex-uk is alex-uk because alex is registered nick and registered email :) 15.03.2018 [21:40:35] ahh 15.03.2018 [21:40:52] OK, so GuKKDevel has requested. Any comments on item 2.2? 15.03.2018 [21:41:03] oh i'm sorry, in this case i have to introduce myself :) 15.03.2018 [21:41:09] I saw the testing system online 15.03.2018 [21:41:27] Running PHP 7.X? 15.03.2018 [21:41:31] also test-mgr seems online 15.03.2018 [21:41:38] I think so 15.03.2018 [21:41:48] Debian machine? 15.03.2018 [21:41:53] yes 15.03.2018 [21:41:56] Where is the test system? 15.03.2018 [21:42:05] test.cacert.or 15.03.2018 [21:42:13] or = org 15.03.2018 [21:42:35] So, is that a copy of production code running in the new environment? 15.03.2018 [21:42:36] for test-mgr I would have to look 15.03.2018 [21:43:02] Or just the new environment? 15.03.2018 [21:43:06] I think so, but some test will have to be done 15.03.2018 [21:43:13] Of course. 15.03.2018 [21:43:30] It is a good start, though. 15.03.2018 [21:44:02] Anyone else want to talk about 2.2? 15.03.2018 [21:44:43] I will throw away my local test site. 15.03.2018 [21:45:09] Hmmm. It might still be useful. 15.03.2018 [21:45:40] Dirk will join later, but before PeterYuill will leave. 15.03.2018 [21:45:56] OK, thank you. 15.03.2018 [21:46:06] In that case, are we ready for 2.4? 15.03.2018 [21:47:01] ( 45 minutes to go ) 15.03.2018 [21:47:05] may I ask to handle 2.3 previous? 15.03.2018 [21:47:31] I did some research on this matter 15.03.2018 [21:48:05] OK, I thought that you and PeterYuill were talking about that earlier. 15.03.2018 [21:48:28] sorry 2.5 15.03.2018 [21:48:51] it is software to change 15.03.2018 [21:48:56] OK, let's stop for a minute, and see where we are in the Agenda. 15.03.2018 [21:49:13] we are at 2.4 15.03.2018 [21:49:19] I think that we covered both 2.1.1 and 2.1.2 satisfactorily. 15.03.2018 [21:49:23] but this will take much time 15.03.2018 [21:49:48] We looked at 2.2, twice, and expect to hear from Dirk later. 15.03.2018 [21:49:59] therefor I asked to do 2.5 befor we do 2.4 15.03.2018 [21:50:11] We, I think, discussed 2.3, briefly. 15.03.2018 [21:50:18] Am I correct, so far? 15.03.2018 [21:50:23] because this would take little time 15.03.2018 [21:51:14] I wanted to ask about 2.5 but accidentialy wrot 2.3 15.03.2018 [21:51:30] @bdmc: Let's do 2.5 and the rest of time for 2.4 and Dirk 15.03.2018 [21:51:46] OK. So I will consider that my review was correct, and, by request, will look at 2.5, next. 15.03.2018 [21:51:54] thanks Etienne this was what I wanted to ask for 15.03.2018 [21:52:03] ( I get confused so easily! B-) ) 15.03.2018 [21:52:23] Sorry bdmc, my fault 15.03.2018 [21:52:57] No problem. OK, so has anybody decide whether this can happen before 1417, or needs to wait? 15.03.2018 [21:53:11] ( decide = decided ) 15.03.2018 [21:53:13] As I wrote before we have to change source code 15.03.2018 [21:53:26] I am working on this bug 15.03.2018 [21:53:40] OK, but it can happen before 1260, I presume? 15.03.2018 [21:54:08] the problem is less urgent as thought of first 15.03.2018 [21:54:17] That's nice, for a change. 15.03.2018 [21:54:39] only very few DNS-entries do have a CAA record at all 15.03.2018 [21:55:02] I know that it is early, but do you think that you can code once, or will you need to write code for both PHP 5 and PHP 7? 15.03.2018 [21:56:08] as far as I have the needed code exist in both versions 15.03.2018 [21:56:28] OK, good. 15.03.2018 [21:56:45] Anything else you want to report, or anybody else want to comment? 15.03.2018 [21:57:01] I think this will have a time of a year until it has to be 15.03.2018 [21:57:18] So, very urgent! B-) 15.03.2018 [21:57:29] maybe we will have to check our status at CA/Board 15.03.2018 [21:57:51] because verification became mandatory by ... october or so last year 15.03.2018 [21:58:02] @GuKKDevel: What is your timetable? 15.03.2018 [21:58:03] it was already in pipeline for a good while 15.03.2018 [21:58:29] Good point, Alex. Is anybody a member of that Forum, or at least monitoring it? 15.03.2018 [21:58:31] can someone translate please? 15.03.2018 [21:58:44] die records gelten nur für ein Jahr, 15.03.2018 [21:58:46] and when we want to achieve some respect in community and beyond we should respect the guidelines we have committed to 15.03.2018 [21:59:14] wenn sich innerhalb der gültigkeit etwas ändert, bekommt das die CA gar nicht mit 15.03.2018 [21:59:15] if nobody of the current board i dont think so @ bdmc 15.03.2018 [21:59:39] the former-former board took care of it, and probably nobody since then. 15.03.2018 [21:59:55] The former auditor was our represent at CA/Forum (was or is still) 15.03.2018 [22:00:22] Thank you, Alex. Another item for Action Items. So Ian is or was a member? OK. 15.03.2018 [22:00:24] GuKKDevel, they are valid for one year only? i understood differently from my material. 15.03.2018 [22:00:44] Not Ian, B... (Benedikt?) 15.03.2018 [22:01:09] i meant the board that left in the beginning of some agm or sgm event... 15.03.2018 [22:01:24] I have to look up , but I think so 15.03.2018 [22:01:31] i think benedikt or marcus was participating 15.03.2018 [22:01:51] Shoul I ask Benedikt? 15.03.2018 [22:02:11] @Etienne would be best 15.03.2018 [22:02:16] i don't know the current status of our membership at this association. maybe we can get it there somehow first? 15.03.2018 [22:02:41] but i think we can also ask benedikt straight away. 15.03.2018 [22:03:59] @Etienne do you have contact to ian? he could also know something 15.03.2018 [22:04:24] I can contact him. ( I will do so immediately after our meeting. ) 15.03.2018 [22:04:24] Yes, I have, but first, I will write to Benedikt. 15.03.2018 [22:04:49] so we can use both channels 15.03.2018 [22:04:53] @bdmc: OK, you write to Ian and I write to Benedikt 15.03.2018 [22:05:21] Will do. 15.03.2018 [22:05:24] 25 minutes left 15.03.2018 [22:05:31] Agreed. 15.03.2018 [22:05:32] (Ian is online on Skype now) 15.03.2018 [22:06:01] OK, if we are ready to move on to 2.4, we can. 15.03.2018 [22:06:42] to idea 14: I have a 50 franc voucher from an online clothing store to win among donors up to a certain date: outfittery.ch 15.03.2018 [22:09:32] great 15.03.2018 [22:09:56] What do you think about the 15 ideas: https://wiki.cacert.org/Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/2018-03-01/ideas 15.03.2018 [22:10:12] now we have to create a game where we could do it as a price 15.03.2018 [22:10:22] I don't have a good idea of "use" of that amount. Is it significant for clothing? 15.03.2018 [22:11:43] @bdmc: buy a shirt and trousers for 150, then you pay only 100. 15.03.2018 [22:12:03] I like the idea to write to our users for support 15.03.2018 [22:12:20] what means silver, gold, platinum... donator? is there any benefit or "just" the name and the good knowledge that you support a community for security? 15.03.2018 [22:12:52] I also think that a direct campaign is the best place to start. 15.03.2018 [22:13:13] ok i didnt read point 14 in time before asking... 15.03.2018 [22:13:40] @alex: it is about honor. 15.03.2018 [22:14:33] Linux Mint does a good job of communicating with people and highlighting sponsors/donors: https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3509 15.03.2018 [22:15:15] good point @ Peter 15.03.2018 [22:15:49] 13 and some of the others ( the Kickstarter idea ) can be for "bragging rights" on the CAcert.org web site, rather than starting a new, external, campaign. 15.03.2018 [22:16:36] Create a special page of Donors, whether showing the amount or not, but showing names, if they want them, or "Anonymous." 15.03.2018 [22:17:26] I agree that we need to make use of "social media," even, like others, I have no contact with anything other than LinkedIn. 15.03.2018 [22:17:35] If we write regularly on the blog, why not as Liux Mint included in the news? 15.03.2018 [22:17:42] ( even = even though ) 15.03.2018 [22:18:29] my idea was to "pin" the first blog-entry to donation ... otherwise it will scroll out as soon as there are more blog-entries ... 15.03.2018 [22:19:08] the idea of a sponsor page is good, but we need to update it at least one a month 15.03.2018 [22:19:17] (but i have to check, if this is possible "out-of-box" or if it needs a workaround "somehow" 15.03.2018 [22:19:37] egal: we are using a home-grown solution, aren't we? 15.03.2018 [22:20:12] for blog we use wordpress ... and use a script(?) do get the top 3 entries to www.cacert.org 15.03.2018 [22:20:20] who looks regularly at blog.cacert.org? 15.03.2018 [22:20:30] i mean: open this particular site? 15.03.2018 [22:20:52] Looking at the LinuxMint page, they seem to tack the donors and sponsors to the bottom of the news article, not a special article. 15.03.2018 [22:21:15] egal: if it is Wordpress, then it is possible to "freeze" an item. 15.03.2018 [22:21:31] We should repair the blog-to-twitter-function. 15.03.2018 [22:21:32] i believe hardly anybody from the public and i would wonder if you do. so we cannot freeze on the main site 15.03.2018 [22:21:50] i think blog-to-twitter is already repaired? 15.03.2018 [22:21:50] everybody, who opens www.cacert.org sees the first lines of the first three blog-entries ... 15.03.2018 [22:22:21] If that article is always the top one on the blog site, then it should always be the first article on the web site. 15.03.2018 [22:22:31] @bdmc: correct 15.03.2018 [22:22:54] maybe we could link prominently on www to blog site? 15.03.2018 [22:23:00] ( ten minutes, folks ) 15.03.2018 [22:23:39] alex: agreed. I was trying to find some information about membership fees earlier from the main site, and had a lot of trouble. 15.03.2018 [22:23:39] @alex: that's why i think about pinnig the first blog-entry ... ;-) 15.03.2018 [22:23:51] CAcert_news stopped in 2016, but there are more recent blog entries. 15.03.2018 [22:24:59] (does not require any chances in our software ... ;-) ) 15.03.2018 [22:25:16] Do we want to pause here for a moment and let Dirk talk about 2.2 before PeterYuill has to leave? 15.03.2018 [22:25:39] true @ Etienne . repair seems not having worked out... 15.03.2018 [22:26:00] yes, please dirk, talk 15.03.2018 [22:26:02] could we also fix our affiliates(?) booking.com and googleadsense mor prominent? 15.03.2018 [22:27:08] egal: You're up. Anything about Bug 1260? 15.03.2018 [22:27:40] bugs 1260 means? 15.03.2018 [22:27:52] new debian 15.03.2018 [22:27:52] Sorry, the upgrade from PHP 5 to PHP 7. 15.03.2018 [22:27:54] (i'm currently not on bugs.cacert.org) 15.03.2018 [22:28:17] new testserver 15.03.2018 [22:28:26] new testmgr 15.03.2018 [22:28:29] And, more generally, bringing the environment into this century. 15.03.2018 [22:29:07] two days ago ted and i used the time at our secure-u-boardmeeting to check our accesses to the test-machines ... 15.03.2018 [22:29:38] ted and i do have full access to the testserver (status is the last backup of the it-sls-server) 15.03.2018 [22:30:21] ted and i do NOT have full access (only user, not root) to the testmanagement-server ... (reason: password lost) ... i'll contact wytze ... 15.03.2018 [22:30:21] Is that production code running on current Debian, or just the OS? 15.03.2018 [22:30:34] reminder 21:30 UTC 15.03.2018 [22:30:55] the signer seems not to work currently for test-einvironment ... need to figure out, how we can do it ... 15.03.2018 [22:31:02] I can stay a few minutes longer 15.03.2018 [22:31:21] which means: no certificate-logins possible for test-environment ... ;-( 15.03.2018 [22:31:32] Sounds like good progress. ( well.... ) 15.03.2018 [22:32:00] but mysql can be tested wih password login? 15.03.2018 [22:32:14] sure ... 15.03.2018 [22:32:17] Is that the same issue as "can't create certificates in current browsers?" 15.03.2018 [22:32:23] nope 15.03.2018 [22:33:14] Could it be a PHP 7.X issue? 15.03.2018 [22:33:15] test-environment has it's own test-CA ... ;-) 15.03.2018 [22:33:48] In other words, can you see all of the logging? 15.03.2018 [22:34:07] we would need to install for the new testserver a new root-cert. 15.03.2018 [22:34:42] That sounds possible. 15.03.2018 [22:34:50] root-certmeans test-root-cert 15.03.2018 [22:35:19] can you do that dirk? 15.03.2018 [22:35:41] the test-roots? ... yep ... 15.03.2018 [22:36:11] But that isn't the only thing stopping the signer? 15.03.2018 [22:37:08] so we could use them to create certificates to enter the test-site by certificate? 15.03.2018 [22:38:10] on the other hand, is the test-manager working? 15.03.2018 [22:38:58] i don't know ... as we only have user-access to the server ... 15.03.2018 [22:39:13] need to check the database and coding of the testmanagement-server ... 15.03.2018 [22:39:56] (but the testmanagement-server is primary for creating accounts/... and (as far as i know) to "answer"/see the ping-mails from cacert 15.03.2018 [22:40:34] It plays the part of the "user," correct? 15.03.2018 [22:41:46] I have to go now, bye all. 15.03.2018 [22:41:53] what about creating the user-database for the server from scratch? could you get full access then? 15.03.2018 [22:41:59] correct ... with some automatic scripts ... 15.03.2018 [22:42:00] Have a good morning, Peter. 15.03.2018 [22:42:36] GuKKDevel: It sounds as if you could create a whole new machine to perform that role. 15.03.2018 [22:42:44] anydates you dont have time (for the next meeting?) 15.03.2018 [22:42:52] @gukkdevel: the missing root-access is to allow changes in the coding (maybe necessary for the changed domain) 15.03.2018 [22:43:07] However, if it just means that they need to get passwords changed, that shouldn't be too hard. 15.03.2018 [22:43:44] correct ... i'll ping wytze these days ... 15.03.2018 [22:44:21] Side question: Are we thinking of two weeks for the next meeting? 15.03.2018 [22:45:23] @egal can you pong us then onboard-private? 15.03.2018 [22:46:22] If you no longer have access, you can write to one or more of us, and we can transfer the message into board-private. 15.03.2018 [22:47:24] we should meet in two weeks to talk about this agendas point 2.4 15.03.2018 [22:47:40] That's what I was thinking, too. 15.03.2018 [22:48:07] egal: do you have anything more, or are there any more questions for Dirk? 15.03.2018 [22:48:22] write-access to board-private is always possible ... ;-) 15.03.2018 [22:48:32] B-) 15.03.2018 [22:48:56] egal can I help with the pinning of sponsors? 15.03.2018 [22:49:14] wrong wording sorry 15.03.2018 [22:49:21] OK, nothing heard, and it sounds as if we are back to 2.4, anyway. 15.03.2018 [22:50:49] If you are interested, I can send the message that I wrote to my mailing list. I don't know whether it might be useful for "social media" or other uses. 15.03.2018 [22:51:32] sorry but I think if dirk can't say anything more we should quit this session and forward any thing to next meeting 15.03.2018 [22:52:10] Good. i have to leave at 9 15.03.2018 [22:52:53] of course we are interested, we could implement it into the mail I'm working on for at idea 12 campaign 15.03.2018 [22:53:01] And I at 23 (it is also in 8 minuts) 15.03.2018 [22:53:12] board-private? 15.03.2018 [22:53:58] this would be best bdmc 15.03.2018 [22:54:27] Will do. 15.03.2018 [22:54:46] In that case, shall we say the 30th at 20:00 UTC? 15.03.2018 [22:54:59] ( 29th? ) 15.03.2018 [22:55:00] so what about april 5 th 15.03.2018 [22:55:46] Either one will do for me. 15.03.2018 [22:55:48] 29th is easterweekend 15.03.2018 [22:55:58] 5th/6th is good for me 15.03.2018 [22:56:11] Ah.. I don't pay much attention to those sorts of things until they happen! 15.03.2018 [22:56:24] Any other votes? 15.03.2018 [22:56:30] 5th of April is good for me too. 15.03.2018 [22:56:38] I second peter 15.03.2018 [22:57:00] alex doyou also have time then? 15.03.2018 [22:57:05] yes 15.03.2018 [22:57:06] OK. Done. Thursday evening the 5th of April, Friday morning, the 6th South of the Equator. 15.03.2018 [22:57:14] i have time on 5/6 15.03.2018 [22:57:32] I think you could be a help with socialmedia and so 15.03.2018 [22:57:43] i would like to aid. 15.03.2018 [22:57:50] We welcome you! 15.03.2018 [22:58:12] same time 20:00 UTC? 15.03.2018 [22:58:16] thank you also for naming me "PR officer", I don't know wether i am re-elected. 15.03.2018 [22:58:24] Thanks to alex 15.03.2018 [22:58:26] OK, any objection to us closing this meeting two minutes early? 15.03.2018 [22:58:27] If so, I cannot further do it alone, I need help! 15.03.2018 [22:59:01] We can talk about this topic maybe next time? 15.03.2018 [22:59:05] Alex: this we should sort out next meeting 15.03.2018 [22:59:20] Understood, Alex. We all need help, and so have formed ad-hoc sub-committees. If there are any volunteers, or if you have anybody who can help, Alex, let us know. 15.03.2018 [22:59:43] thanks 15.03.2018 [23:00:04] Question time? 15.03.2018 [23:00:24] Bye. See you on 6th. 15.03.2018 [23:00:39] Oh, yes. I keep forgetting that. 15.03.2018 [23:00:51] Any questions, folks? 15.03.2018 [23:01:31] We can at least get them into the minutes, and carry them forward into our next meeting. 15.03.2018 [23:02:12] (It is not for the question, but for the people on the flor.....) 15.03.2018 [23:02:46] ;) 15.03.2018 [23:03:52] doesn't look so 15.03.2018 [23:03:58] We have had a pretty busy meeting, with everybody taking part. 15.03.2018 [23:04:13] :) 15.03.2018 [23:04:35] OK, I will wait until :05, and then we can consider this meeting closed. 15.03.2018 [23:05:24] Since both Peters have already left, I will say Good Night, all! }}}