* Case Number: a20131225.1 * Status: init * Claimants: CAcert (Support - represented by Werner D)? * Respondents: Klaus-Dieter E * Inital Case Manager: EvaStöwe * Case Manager: name case manager * Arbitrator: name arbitrator * Date of arbitration start: 201Y-MM-DD * Date of ruling: 201Y-MM-DD * Case closed: 201Y-MM-DD * Complaint: Dispute for CCA violation * Relief: TBD Before: Arbitrator name arbitor (A), Respondent: Klaus-Dieter E (R), Claimant: CAcert/Support (represented by Werner D)? (C), Case: a20131225.1 == History Log == . 2013-12-25 (issue.c.o) case [s20131225.42] . 2014-01-15 (iCM): question to Werner D who is the claimant of this case . 2014-01-15 (Werner D): CAcert or Support should be claimant - never he himself . 2014-01-18 short discussion on arbitration-list about who should be the claimant in such a case (and the need to have support being able to handle such cases at least partly by themselves) . 2014-01-19 (iCM): added to wiki, request for CM / A . 2014-01-19 (iCM): send notification about new case to (R), Werner D . 2014-01-19 (R): bounce from primary and a secondary email address (which was marked as probably working in the original dispute) . 2014-01-19 (iCM): tried to send same notification to another secondary email address of R . 2014-07-26 (iCM): again asked for A/CM == Original Dispute, Discovery (Private Part) (optional) == * '''Link to Arbitration case [[Arbitrations/priv/a20131225.1|a20131225.1 (Private Part)]], Access for (CM) + (A) only''' ## ==> INCLUDE SECTION BOT <> ## <== INCLUDE SECTION EOT ==== EOT Private Part ==== == Dispute == {{{ > Dear Arbitrators, > > I hereby file a dispute against "Klaus-Dieter [...]" > [email] for CCA violation. He is not reachable on his > main email address. As announced I blocked his account and now file this > dispute. Following you will find the mail exchange up to now. > > ------------------------- > > Von: [email] > An: support@cacert.org > Betreff: Abwesenheitsnotiz Notice of absence > Erstellt: 07.12.2013 21:47:11 > > Nach den Edward Snowden Veröffentlichungen sollte jedem klar sein, dass > man Hotmail nicht mehr verwenden darf. Wer mich unbedingt erreichen will > hat dazu jederzeit über Threema die Möglichkeit. Meine Threema ID lautet > [...] > > Translation: > > After the disclosures of Edward Snowden it should be clear to everyone > that he should no longer use Hotmail. Who will contact me imperatively > has the chance to use Threema. My Threema ID is [...] > > ------------------------------- > > Von: CAcert Support > An: [email], [5 other email addresses] > Betreff: Re: [s20131207.64] Abwesenheitsnotiz > Erstellt: 08.12.2013 06:10:11 > > Hello [email], > > > Nach den Edward Snowden Veröffentlichungen sollte jedem klar sein, > dass man Hotmail nicht mehr verwenden darf. > > Dann benutzen Sie halt einen anderen E-Mail-Anbieter, dem Sie noch > vertrauen. > > > Wer mich unbedingt erreichen will hat dazu jederzeit über Threema die > Möglichkeit. Meine Threema ID lautet [...] > > Bei der Eröffnung Ihres CAcert-Kontos am [date] haben Sie der > Vereinbarung der CAcert-Gemeinschaft (CAcert Community Agreement, CCA) > zugestimmt, erneut bei [account detail]. Damit sind Sie an > die Regeln von CAcert gebunden. Dazu zählt, dass Sie stets über die > angegebene Haupt-E-Mail-Adresse [email] erreichbar > sind. Das scheint nicht der Fall zu sein. > > Sie können gerne eine andere Ihrer-E-Mail-Adressen zu Ihrer > Haupt-E-Mail-Adresse machen. Damit wäre dann wieder alles in Ordnung. > > Ich gebe Ihnen dazu 14 Tage Zeit. Wenn Sie weiter nicht erreichbar sind > oder nicht antworten, dann wird Ihr CAcert-Konto gesperrt und ein > Schiedsgerichsverfahren eingeleitet, das dazu führt, dass Ihr Konto > gelöscht wird. > > Translation: > > Then use another email provider you still trust. > > With the creation of you CAcert account on [date] you agreed the > CCA, and again at [account detail]. Thus you are bound to > the rules of CAcert. This includes that you can reached via your main > email address [email] you entered. This seems not to > be the case. > > You are free to make another email address your main email address. Then > everything would be in best order again. > > I give you a deadline of 14 days for that. If you are still not > reachable or don't answer, then you CAcert account will be blocked and > an arbitration opened, which will lead to the deletion of your account. > > ----------------- > > Von: [other email] > An: support@cacert.org > Betreff: nicht mehr in Verwendung Re: [s20131207.64] Abwesenheitsnotiz > Erstellt: 08.12.2013 06:15:22 > > Nach den Edward Snowden Veröffentlichungen sollte jedem klar sein, dass > man Gmail nicht mehr verwenden darf. Wer mich unbedingt erreichen will > hat dazu jederzeit über Threema die Möglichkeit. Meine Threema ID lautet > [...] > > Translation: The same as above for Gmail. > > ---------------------------------- > > Von: [other email] > An: support@cacert.org > Betreff: nicht mehr in Verwendung Re: [s20131207.64] Abwesenheitsnotiz > Erstellt: 08.12.2013 06:17:29 > > Nach den Edward Snowden Veröffentlichungen sollte jedem klar sein, > dass man Gmail nicht mehr verwenden darf. Diese Mailadresse besteht > nur weiter, weil sie für einen Google Play Account benötigt wird. Wer > mich unbedingt erreichen will hat dazu jederzeit über Threema die > Möglichkeit. Meine Threema ID lautet [...] > > Translation: > > This email address only still exists since it is needed for a Google > Play Account. > > ------------------------------ > > On purpose I used all email addresses that are assigned to his account > in the hope that at least one email should arrive. And it looks like > that [other email] should have arrived. > > His account data: [complete account data] }}} == Discovery == == Ruling == == Execution == == Similiar Cases == || [[Arbitrations/a20130716.1|a20130716.1]] || CCA Violation || || [[Arbitrations/a20090618.7|a20090618.7]] || Mails to primary address of an account bounces || || [[Arbitrations/a20100701.1|a20100701.1]] || violation of CCA 2.5.2 (Mirko D) || || [[Arbitrations/a20131122.1|a20131122.1]] || CCA 2.5.2 violation || || [[Arbitrations/a20130918.1|a20130918.1]] || Illegal Account + CCA 2.5.2 violation || ---- . CategoryArbitration . [[CategoryArbCaseCCAViolation]]