* Case Number: a20120815.1
  * Status: closed
  * Claimants: F.Z.
  * Respondents: CAcert
  * Initial Case Manager: JoelHatsch
  * Case Manager: EvaStöwe
  * Arbitrator: MartinGummi
  * Date of arbitration start: 2013-11-26
  * Date of ruling: 2013-11-27
  * Case closed: 2013-11-27
  * Complaint: removal of post on mailing list

  * Relief: TBD

Before: Arbitrator Martin Gummi (A), Respondent: CAcert (R), Claimant: F.Z. (C), Case: a20120815.1


== History Log ==
 . 2011-08-15 (issue.c.o) case [[https://issue.cacert.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketID=164193&ArticleID=203720|s20120815.5]]
 . 2012-08-17 (iCM): added to wiki, request for CM / A
 . 2012-08-15 (support) : message deleted, request for check and precedence ruling
 . 2013-11-02 (CM of a20110908.1): C also involved in [[Arbitrations/a20110908.1|a20110908.1]]
 . 2013-11-26 (CM): I take care of this case as CM
 . 2013-11-26 (A): I take care of this case as A
 . 2013-11-26 (CM): init mail to C
 . 2013-11-26 (CM): NDR recieved for init mail -> informed A & CM of [[Arbitrations/a20110908.1|a20110908.1]] about NDR
 . 2013-11-26 (CM): askes support for secondary email to account
 . 2013-11-26 (Support):cannot find email address in the system
 . 2013-11-27 (A): informing A/CM of [[Arbitrations/a20110908.1|a20110908.1]]
 . 2013-11-27 (A): closing 

== Original Dispute, Discovery (Private Part) (optional) ==

 * '''Link to Arbitration case [[Arbitrations/priv/a20120815.1|a20120815.1 (Private Part)]], Access for (CM) + (A) only)''' 

## ==> INCLUDE SECTION BOT
<<Include(Arbitrations/priv/a20120815.1)>>  
## <== INCLUDE SECTION EOT

## '''''^^^^^^^^^^^^ Remove last section if there is no private part!!!'''''

==== EOT Private Part ====

== Discovery ==

 * got bounce for init mail to C
 * no information found the system to mail-address from C
 * know other email-address involved in delete-account-case [[Abritrations/a20110908.1|a20110908.1]]
 * those other email does is not in use by C anymore
Cannot find a way to contact C.

Since there is already a delete-account case and no account can be found for C, a CCA-violation case is futile.

Further information on the state of the account cannot be sent to C. 

Another party (Support) is interested in a ruling for this case, so it should not be dismissed.


== Ruling ==


 * Related Arbitration [[Arbitrations/a20101025.1| a20101025.1]] Support have the authorisation to remote this post.
 * Since the dispute was filed a precedent case was ruled about when support can remove single posts to CAcert mailing lists.
 * The named conditions of the precedents-ruling are:
  * The original author of the post requests the removal of the post for a  valid reason. Support personnel and mailing list owners decide whether a  given reason is valid. Typical valid reasons include "accidental posting" and "disclosure of confident data".
  *  Anyone claims personal data concerning him-/herself is published in a  posting, and the original author agrees the deletion of the post.
 * Both conditions apply in this case, so the precedent ruling should be followed.
 * The removal of the post is authorized.

Lübeck, 2013-11-27

== Execution ==

== Similiar Cases ==
|| [[Arbitrations/a20101025.1|a20101025.1]] || [[Arbitrations/a20101025.1|removal of posts from mailing list]] ||
|| [[Abritrations/a20110908.1|a20110908.1]] || [[Abritrations/a20110908.1|delete my account]] ||

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