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== Arbitration Team Meeting 2010-10-20 (20 CEST / 18 UTC) ==
. 1 '''Preliminaries'''
. 1.1 Chair opens the Committee Meeting
. 1.2 [[Arbitrations/Meetings/AcceptMinutes|Accept the Minutes]] '''[[Arbitrations/Meetings/ATAgendaandMinutes-20100907| Minutes of the last Arbitration Team Meeting 2010-09-07]]''' (u60)
. 2 '''Businesses''' - Important Note: '''Acceptance of Businesses 48 Hours before beginning of Arbitration Team Meeting latest!'''
.2.1 '''Public and Private part of Arbitration filing''' added by UlrichSchroeter (continued from last meeting)
. Regarding Arbitration team meeting April 28th, topic 2.1 '''How to handle the arbitration cases wiki (Continued from [[Arbitrations/Meetings/ATAgendaandMinutes-20100317|meeting 2010-03-17]])''' that was added by Hans Verbeek, PD wants to present a software to handle arbitration cases with closed and public parts. Since there is no progress on this project, we've decided [[Arbitrations/Meetings/ATAgendaandMinutes-20100818|last meeting (2010-08-18)]] to build a workaround. As last meeting the discussion hasn't finished completely - still open point: What about the wiki? Will that be used for private data, like proposed last meeting? (with ACL's) - so this top is again on top
. [[https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-arbitration/2010-09/msg00017.html|contribution by Lambert]]
.2.2 '''Inactive CM/A's''' added by UlrichSchroeter (based on question time DRO info last meeting)
. DRO started contacting inactive CM/A's. Progress update.
. [[https://lists.cacert.org/wws/arc/cacert-arbitration/2010-09/msg00017.html|Update by DRO]]
.2.3 '''Update on arbitration-archive''' added by UlrichSchroeter
. It seems, the mailbox hasn't been created yet. Who pushes the email admins ?
.2.4 '''Bulk handling of 30 Delete Account Requests''' added by UlrichSchroeter
. To get rid of the Arbitration backlog we have since mid of 2009, I've prepared a plan for bulk handling of all the "Delete Account Requests" cases.
.2.5 '''Top Five''' added by YourName ''- Comment: Replace "Top Five" by Title of Top and add your Name''
. Additional Inputs ''- Comment: Replace "Additional Inputs"by Description of Top, Description of Reason-Why/Purpose, Additional Comments, Additional Documents, Additional Links, if useful for other Arbitration Team Members to prepare for Arbitration Team Meeting.''
. et cetera
. 3 '''Question Time''' - Important Note: '''Questions from CAcert.org Community Members can be added until beginning of Arbitration Team Meeting! As well questions can be asked at "Question Time", without added Question here'''
. 3.1 "Question One" added by YourName ''- Comment: Replace "Question One" by Your Question and add your Name''
. et cetera
. 4 '''Closing'''
. 4.1 Confirm next Arbitration Team Meeting: Usually every 1st Tuesday and the 3rd Wednesday of the month, 20:00 CEST (18 UTC).
* Tuesday, November 2, 21 CEST, 20 UTC (wintertime!)
. 4.2 Chair closes the Arbitration Team Meeting
. 4.3 Preparation of Minutes
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== Minutes - Arbitration Team Meeting 2010-10-20 ==
* 20:13 Chair opens meeting
* 3 Attendees: Mario, Martin, Uli
* '''Top 1.2''' - ''Accepting [[Arbitrations/Meetings/ATAgendaandMinutes-20100907|Minutes of the last Arbitration Team Meeting 2010-09-07]]''
* '''Summary: no objections, minutes accepted'''
* '''Top 2.1''' - ''Public and Private part of Arbitration filing''
* How about your wiki project by wiki update, cert inclusion ? What is the current state ? expectations ?
* made at last weeks about 3 setups of moin moin and only one solution works
* client cert in the wiki is a give a way for the arb management but not mandatory
* from the old days I remind me about the plan to replace all systems with a client cert login ...
* yes, having certificate login for any system we operate would be ideal, it was generally agreed during discussion. However, looking at resources this would still need lots of time.
* discussion of whom ? board ? teams ?
* I would just call them community members for this part. I guess anyone knows that we want cert login, but nearly no one is working on it. Currently we are making efforts for wiki
* for wiki i would instantly move to cert access because of the spam problem. No password logins.
* so coming back to my question before ... What is the current state about the wiki update to establish the platform that is needed for the priv/pub arb filing ?
* Why would we need an update for this?
* you know we can only set ACLs for page by page not for a part of the page
* why we made this meeting about software / infrastructure this is only a tool for arbitration
* like the arbteam meeting structure, we can set directory ACLs ... so the public arbfile is placed under Arbitrations/ and the private part under eg Arbitrations/priv
* and we have more as one page for an arbitration
* arbitrators awaiting the implementation of the topic into the wiki
* I would say it is already implemented
* so how does it work ? where is it documented ?
* simple public data in the wiki other not in the wiki
* objection! => result from meeting [[Arbitrations/Meetings/ATAgendaandMinutes-20100818|Team Meeting Minutes-2010-08-18]] => private wiki
* Summary: split arb filing into a public / private part ...
* private part to be accessible to CM/A's only
* implementation details not yet focused
* -> thats it
* please deploy a proposal how this can work - probably easily ....
* so you want to have a wiki for arbitration set up?
* Proposal: Arbitrations/a###### public part ... leave as is ... create subdir Arbitrations/priv, set ACLs to Arbteam group
* on writing arbfile ... add a link to Arbitrations/priv/a####### for the private part
* I think its make more confusing
* Do you want to do this with the current MoinMoin installation running on wiki.cacert.org?
* this can probably set with the current wiki.cacert.org as it is set with arbitration-meetings and arbitration-meetings/transcripts
{{{
public part a.x private part a.x
Arbitrations/aXXXX.X Arbitrations/priv/aXXXX.X
---------------------- ----------------------------
header aXXXX.X (priv)
history
<link to priv> --> private section
ruling
bottom
}}}
* So you just want to have an admin set some ACLs?
* but to come to a compromise we try it with the next 5 arbitrations
* private section is a link in a subdir and a file with the same filename as pub arbcase
* Arbitration/a20101020.1 (pub) and Arbitration/priv/a20101020.1 (private part)
* the arb. needs maintain 2 pages
* so acls only needs to be set once onto Arbitrations/priv
* at last meetings for many arbt. is the editing of one wiki page not ok
* you do not need to keep a private record
* '''Summary: acls set on https://wiki.cacert.org/Arbitrations/priv, Uli to write a documentation under Arbitration/Trianing'''
* '''Top 2.2''' - ''Inactive CM/A's''
* '''Summary: defered 'cause DRO not available'''
* '''Top 2.3''' - ''Update on arbitration-archive''
* arbitration-archive@c.o was requested from mail admins. Login should be sent to DRO
* arbitration-archive is not created yet
* '''Summary: Mario, plz send a reminder with progress report req to email admins'''
* '''Top 2.4''' - ''Bulk handling of 30 Delete Account Requests''
* Info of a plan to bulk handle all about 30 open Delete Account Requests at once by 3 active Arbitrators
* A modified procedure of handling of initmailing (order turn) should prevent delays by not responding requestors, so probably 80-90% of all cases can be ruled quickly
* '''Summary: Uli starts request for CM's available to assist A's'''
* '''Top 4.1''' - ''Next Meeting''
* Tuesday, November 2, 21 CEST, 20 UTC (wintertime!)
* 21:20 Chair closes meeting
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==== Meeting Transcript ====
* [[Arbitrations/Meetings/Transcripts/transcript-meeting-101020|Meeting Transcript 2010-10-20]] ([[https://wiki.cacert.org/Arbitrations/Meetings/Transcripts/Transcripts-Page-Template|Transcripts-Page-Template]])
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