. '''To Arbitration [[Arbitrations|Arbitrations]] - To Arbitration [[Arbitrations/Training|Training & Lessons]]''' . '''Back to [[Arbitrations/Meetings|Arbitration Team Meetings]]''' - '''To [[Arbitrations/Meetings/ATAgendaandMinutes-20100706|Previous meeting]]''' - '''To [[Arbitrations/Meetings/ATAgendaandMinutes-20100803|Next meeting]]''' ---- == Arbitration Team Meeting 2010-07-21 == . 1 '''Preliminaries''' . 1.1 Chair opens the Committee Meeting . 1.2 Accept the '''[[Arbitrations/Meetings/ATAgendaandMinutes-20100706| Minutes of the last Arbitration Team Meeting 2010-07-06]]''' (u60) . 2 '''Businesses''' - Important Note: '''Acceptance of Businesses 48 Hours before beginning of Arbitration Team Meeting latest!''' .2.1 '''First preview of new Arbitration Mgmt System''' added by UlrichSchroeter . Regarding Arbitration team meeting April 28th, topic 2.1 '''How to handle the arbitration cases wiki (Continued from [[Arbitrations/Meetings/ATAgendaandMinutes-20100317|meeting 2010-03-17]])''' that was added by Hans Verbeek, PD wants to present a software to handle arbitration cases with closed and public parts. A first presentation should be in the May meeting, but no May meeting did happen. Deferred from meeting to meeting. .2.2 '''Arbitration Team Report requested from Board''' added by UlrichSchroeter . [[Brain/CAcertInc/Committee/MeetingAgendasAndMinutes/20100704|Last Board meeting]] Board members requested the teams to write a team report: "Team reports: general agreement that we want those again, and we have to start soliciting them. A general discussion on the artwork, leading to consensus that we want to include such work again." for next Anual Report. Planning date for AGM is late October to early November. See '''[[AGM/TeamReports/2010#Arbitration_Team_Report_2009-2010|Arbitration Team Report 2009-2010]]''' .2.3 '''Education and Training within Arbitration team''' added by UlrichSchroeter . We have the [[Arbitrations/Training|Arbitration Training & Lessons]] wiki pages. But learning by doing is the best teacher. How we can encourage new Case Managers and Arbitrators to help in the Arbitration team ? .2.4 '''Top Four''' added by YourName ''- Comment: Replace "Top Four" by Title of Top and add your Name'' . Additional Inputs ''- Comment: Replace "Additional Inputs"by Description of Top, Description of Reason-Why/Purpose, Additional Comments, Additional Documents, Additional Links, if useful for other Arbitration Team Members to prepare for Arbitration Team Meeting.'' .2.5 '''Top Five''' added by YourName ''- Comment: Replace "Top Five" by Title of Top and add your Name'' . Additional Inputs ''- Comment: Replace "Additional Inputs"by Description of Top, Description of Reason-Why/Purpose, Additional Comments, Additional Documents, Additional Links, if useful for other Arbitration Team Members to prepare for Arbitration Team Meeting.'' . et cetera . 3 '''Question Time''' - Important Note: '''Questions from CAcert.org Community Members can be added until beginning of Arbitration Team Meeting! As well questions can be asked at "Question Time", without added Question here''' . 3.1 "Question One" added by YourName ''- Comment: Replace "Question One" by Your Question and add your Name'' . et cetera . 4 '''Closing''' . 4.1 Confirm next Arbitration Team Meeting: Usually every 1st Tuesday and the 3rd Wednesday of the month, 20:00 CEST (18 UTC). * Tuesday, August 3rd, 21 CEST, 19 UTC . 4.2 Chair closes the Arbitration Team Meeting . 4.3 Preparation of Minutes <
> == Minutes - Arbitration Team Meeting 2010-07-21 == <
> ==== Synopsis of Meeting Contents ==== * 20:01 chair opens the meeting, 4 attendees * top 1.2 Accept the Minutes of the last [[Arbitrations/Meetings/ATAgendaandMinutes-20100706|Arbitration Team Meeting 2010-07-06]] * as long not all attend every meeting ... the acceptance of the minutes is something about, can it be published this way or should something be removed (i.e. privacy things or so ... so ok, acceptance of the minutes is not only for those who attended the last meeting, also for those to review, that attend the todays meeting ... * '''Summary: 1 aye, 2 abstain. Minutes accepted.''' * top 2.1 First preview of new Arbitration Mgmt System * '''Summary: deferred till a meeting where PD will attend''' * top 2.2 Arbitration Team Report requested from Board * I've started a report with the statistics over the last 12 months ... [[AGM/TeamReports/2010#Arbitration_Team_Report_2009-2010|Arb team report - statistics]] * if you can deliver some text for the report, please give it a try * need we stats how many active arbitrators have we now? * this can be written in the report, not as seperate stat, 'cause there are no detailed counts about active arbitrators .... * statistics in detail ... 133 new cases ... but still 80 open !!! New: 133, Open/Running: 80, Closed: 53 * from 133 cases only 53 closed, we got more in, as we can handle * approx 11-12 new cases per month .... 4-5 cases closed each month * "we have to double our work, or to double the count of arbitrators" * adding arbitrators will not solve this, because in the future there will be even more * procedure for password resets is a good example: from now on support can handle this, so no arbitration needed * (post meeting note: [[Arbitrations/Training|Section: Arbitrators Work, Categorisation of a case]] includes Lesson 20-23 with some examples) * PD proposed to write an Arbitration system back in March, but first view is deferred for more than 2 months * We really would like to see it so that we can decide if and how it can help us be more efficient * we cannot rely on the proposals and do nothing, until the results comes out ... so my PoV is, we have to deal with the current framework, now * So what we have now is: 1. too many open cases 1. need for an entry in the annual report * '''Summary: u60 starts writing a report, others will review, and add some notes, sending by email - arbitration mailing list. Accepted by 2''' * 2.3 Education and Training within Arbitration team * In [[http://svn.cacert.org/CAcert/principles.html|Principles of the Community]], there is a point "Training". Training for assurers is named CATS and ATE ... but for Case Managers and Arbitrators our only tool are the wiki pages or learning by doing ... * Do we need a test for new CM / A like CATS? * Arbitration is no straight forward work. It requires judgement - hard to train * on writing the wiki pages Training Lessons .. I've tried to add questions to each lesson ... its realy hard to find questions and therefor also answers * one must understand the way things are handled, and probably ask fellow arbitrators * another help could be if we add lines to the training web page for special cases that have been handled by previous arbitrations * a new arb. needs at first basic knowledge about CAcert law, and basic knowledge about arbitration law * thats probably allready added in the beginning section * Mentorship of new Case Managers and Arbitrators * helping with the first steps ... by adding an experienced arb to an arb ... and document this in the arb case * i.e. Arbitrator is: the unexperienced arbitrator, trainer is: the experiencd one so the ruling is written by te unexperienced one * Currently we use this for Organisation Assurance and it seems to be a concept which could become reliable * the experienced one only reviews what the unexperienced is doing and probably assists him * I came around this problem about the privacy thing ... the trainer will probably also see privacy details ... * as the trainer is arbitrator, i do not see a problem here * should not be a problem, as the trainer is an Arb. and active (...) on the case * this isn't a problem, as long as its documented ... so in an arb case with an unexperienced arb, if the mentor/trainer is named, this isn't be a problem * Is it possible to starts arbitration with one A and one CM and adds later a 2nd A to Trained the first A? * the main issue is documentation ... so this case should be possible * the main issue is documentation ... why? (add a 2nd A and send all mails to the 2nd A) * in a later review about this case, if documented, you can name each party ... if nothing is documentd, its not clear whats the role of a 2nd A. And about privacy purposes, with documentation, its auditble, and you can arguee with the principles for Training. an auditor will audit with the rules given ... so principle is also one rule ... training in Arb area is something complicated, so if the training purpose is documented, we're probably safe also about the privacy thing * '''Summary: mentor/trainer can be added as a 2nd CM or A by adding it to the docu, authority has the first one. Accepted by 2''' * question time 3.1: we have a few unresponsive arbitrators (no response to emails, no other activity). I want to send a message to the board, asking them to remove these arbs from the list. everyone ok with that? * do you have the list available? * not yet * do we have a list of all arbs btw? * Yes: [[Arbitrations/Arbitrators|List of Case Managers and Arbitrators]] * 15 on that list ... at least 5 can be named inactive * '''Summary: 3 ayes. Accepted to send the message to board about to remove inactive Arbitrators''' * top 4.1 next meeting: Tuesday, August 3rd, 21 CEST, 19 UTC * '''Summary: 2 ayes. Accepted''' * 21:00 meeting closed <
> ==== Meeting Transcript ==== * [[Arbitrations/Meetings/Transcripts/transcript-meeting-100721|Meeting Transcript 2010-07-21]] ([[https://wiki.cacert.org/Arbitrations/Meetings/Transcripts/Transcripts-Page-Template|Transcripts-Page-Template]]) <
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